/ Black outdoor instructor endures racist hate campaign
It is saddening that this sort of stuff still happens! It is also getting reported more often now, I am not sure if it is because it is back on the increase or because it is getting reported more. It should be stamped out either way.
That is disgusting and shames the whole of the UK, let alone Cornwall and the few throwbacks with no brains that did it.
A man and his family that just want to help kids, supports the local economy & look what happens. Disgusting.
Good luck Samuel and family.
This story really appalled me when I saw it the other day.
At the end: “Mr Farmer believes he has been targeted because of his skin colour, and if we find this is the case it will be treated seriously and investigated thoroughly."
So does that mean if it wasn't a racially motivated attack, then it's not serious? I don't get that, the man has had his belongings maliciously destroyed, simple as!! The fact it was motivated by race just makes it that much more heinous.
The whole thing is sickening and I feel deeply sorry for him and his partner. Fair play to him for not upping sticks and clearing off, but sticking to his guns!
Unfortunately this seems relatively common in Cornwall, not so much the Racism (as is pointed out there's very few ethnic minorities living there), but the general dislike of outsiders.
Whilst it's clearly unacceptable that this couple have suffered such racist abuse, I'm not entirely sure that a white couple from Liverpool moving down there and setting up a business helping out inner city kids in the same way wouldn't have received similar treatment (less the racial slurs).
There certainly is a minority in Cornish (and other areas - Portland, North Wales?) society that hates the idea of "other" people coming on to their patch and enjoying it despite the good it does for the economy of the area
Also the same could be said of different areas of London not exactly welcoming outsiders
Unfortunately you get very stupid people everywhere, the urge to attack anything 'other' is one of the basest human instincts and one which most of us seem to be able to overcome but there always seems to be a minority which can't do so.
Agree about a fund/donation thing to get these folk back on their feet, that would be a great sign of this community's support wouldn't it. I'm sure some people would be able to donate in kind to replace missing kit...
heart breaking . 80(
They do seem like a focussed and driven family though , I am sure with some help they can get back on track very soon , I sincerely hope so .
I am willing to help out in anyway I can ( donations of kit , cash and labour ) & will let them know . I'm positive some good can & will come of this .
My step father in law is a webbed fingered country bumkin type. He's racist by default. It was funny just watching him when he came to visit us in tottenham it was like an other world to him.
The other weekend we were round his place for dinner and it slipped out that he was born in the middle east, i had a great time winding him up.
I also find that the further away you get from the cities the more racism you get. fear of the unkown i suppose.
Likewise, sounds like he lost a lot, I'd certainly chip in. Perhaps there's someone who'd set up a collection? Wouldn't know where to start, personally but would contribute.
It certainly does flourish in the countryside. I live in a tiny village just outside the Peak District where there are half a dozen holiday cottages. One day a coloured family came strolling up the road in the evening sun and one very prominent member of the community was heard to say (inside the village hall, looking out) "we don't want any of THAT sort here......"
> Also the same could be said of different areas of London not exactly welcoming outsiders
Are you sure? Almost everyone I know in London is an 'outsider' whether from another part of the UK or another country.
> Brown......not black.
Please tell me you're not being serious
Ok the business email is :
I have sent the following :
Quite a few of us on UKClimbing .com have read an article about an arson attack that you and your partner have had to endure recently. We would like to know how best we can help you get set up and going again.
Could you please either respond to this and I will post your reply or go straight to UKC http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?t=493772.
Coloured!?! You total racist! ...Only joking, but Black people are "Black" People you know. Don't worry, only realised how wrong it was to say "Coloured" myself recently.
You can't say coloured anymore to mean somebody not white, or person/people of colour. My mum uses it and she's best mates with a brown Indian lady.
Either way you can't say coloured, which is probably fair enough, so people who aren't white aren't given a blanket label marking them out as 'other'.
> Are you sure? Almost everyone I know in London is an 'outsider' whether from another part of the UK or another country.
Yes...I'm not saying the whole community or every area, but generally amongst the youth... low level stuff generally not necessarily proper gangs, but school rivalries etc... among the older populations you get football area rivalries as well... north vs south of the river, tottenham vs arsenal, westham, millwall etc. It does tend to be in and around estates
You don't need to come from around here to belong, but if you don't belong we don't want you round here type attitude - and this definitely applies to all races and is much more area focused than racial.
Its good to know that something good can come out of this shitty behaviour.
>Either way you can't say coloured, which is probably fair enough, so people who aren't white aren't given a blanket label marking them out as 'other'.
And can you say 'non-white'?!
when I read about this I thought about that controversial Dustin Hoffman film from the 70's...Straw Dogs. Anyone seen it. Pretty nasty stuff. About a couple who move to Cornwall and are terrorised by the locals :(
Yep - my feeling is it is probably abpout outsiders rather than racist - but that makes it no less wrong.
> Yep - my feeling is it is probably abpout outsiders rather than racist - but that makes it no less wrong.
True, although there's obviously a racial aspect. Bringing inner city kids into the village wouldn't endear anyone to locals anywhere though.
I don't know David. Samuel appears to have no doubts it is a racially motivated campaign and he should know. Also,two thirds of Cornish residents were born outside Cornwall and-apart from being mostly white-they don't appear to suffer arson attacks and get told 'get back to the feffin jungle' !
When I worked in Cornwall (for the council) they spent around £1m (apparantly) getting 'Cornish' identified as an ethnic gropu. When the forms came round the only option for 'Cornish' was:
there was no option of 'black' and 'Cornish'
The forms were hastily redone to allow 'Cornish' and 'black'.
Was this evdience of systemic racism? or an 'error'???
I'll leave you to ponder
That is disgusting, its like 'Straw Dogs'. F**king inbreds
> >Either way you can't say coloured, which is probably fair enough, so people who aren't white aren't given a blanket label marking them out as 'other'.
> And can you say 'non-white'?!
Good point, person who is not white I mean.
Although (dons helmet) I am NOT talking about this case but the reluctance to accept incomers has at least a little justification. Put yourself where the locals are...very poorly paid jobs...totally unaffordable housing...many coastal villages almost dead due the second home 4x4 weekend brigade who do their shopping in Waitrose/John Lewis' before they get to the county. Yet its the locals responsibilty to throw their arms immediatly open to the latest new part time resident before they have contributed anything to the community?
I WILL SAY THIS AGAIN, I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS POOR GUY AND HIS FAMILY!
Find the sh*ts who did this and throw the book at them, but dont leap to sweeping generalisations about a largely friendly county. Blimey, a Devonian defending the Cornish...I could get lynched by my neighbours for that....!!!
Local people selling their parents home for the highest price is also an issue. This drove prices sky high. It is too easy to blame 'incomers'.
The South West (and Cumbria)'s economies are primarily tourist linked, not farming or fishing. So, when will these communities wake up to this and understand the holiday homes are an esential part of the modern community?
When I was last in the Lakes I saw a few cars with 'I'm not a local, I LIVE HERE' stickers on them. Very offensive. Seen similar down here in Devon and Cornwall too.
Holiday accommodation has its role and every house bought by some loaded merchant banker was sold by a local in the first place, but in some villages they now exceed 50% of all the houses...no need for a school...shop...pub (good gastro pub at £50 a meal is a great local amenity). Anyway this is a side-track, the chap who fell victim to these thugs deserves our full support and the same from all the decent people in his community.
Hi Chris & David Hooper
Contacting Samuel sounds a great idea and happy to help as part of UKC if we can. Two ideas:
1) Not sure if The Hope Project is a registered charity but wonder if JustGiving is appropriate for any potential fundraising if so - it adds on tax to donations increasing the total amount.
2) I was really struck by London's Twitter army of 'clearer uppers' in badly affected streets after the riots, local traders really seemed to appreciate the show of support. The meet suggested on this thread sounds good (if wanted by the family!) maybe along with a visual show of barn wreckage tidying.
Either idea makes a local press story which helps publicise fundraising, if that's an option, and the second one is a photo opportunity for all the media who have already picked this story up and maybe some new ones - there are a few, I Googled. Publicity can't stop racists, but openly shaming a community might bring out some decent local support if folks are more aware of what's happening on their doorstep.
Have no ideas on how to set up a financial help fund but could do press bit if that's something Samuel wants at this point in time.
Good idea. Getting the messages over is important:
1. Racism is intlooerable
2. UK Climbers support Sam
3 Speelin is improtant
I'm not sure which bits you do/don't recognise.
If over 50% of the houses were sold then I am guessing over 50% of the houses weren't needed... why sell them otherwise? how many are actually sold to bankers? (don't get me wrong, a merchant-banker target practice Olympic medal event is a good idea in my book!)
Let's hope the WMN will take this story up.and Spotlight?
Lets hope you are right about the local news though...at the moment no mention of this attack at all, yet other arson stories seem to be covered. Very odd? Will listen out on Pirate FM to see if there is any coverage on there tomorrow.
No chance I reckon. I hope I am wrong but the press down here doesn't seem to notice stories like this. I wonder why?
I'm in. It's little more than a round for him and me. Happily buy this guy a pint.
nice idea, just noticed that this post has had over 2,000 views - so if every UKC reader of this thread gave a penny to any potential fund ...
just saying ...
How do you know what the police are, or aren't, doing from a very standard press release and one quote that was also standard Police speak to the press ?
They would have ....£20.
Maybe if everyone gave a pound ?
This is disgusting. This should be high in the national press agenda (like the woman on the bus / tube in London), and the Cornish police should be focusing on this and the other examples of racist hate linked to above.
London-centric press just not interested.
BMC and other over-arching groups could get involved and raise the issue? It isn't of course related at all to climbing or outdoor activities, but they might have a voice to give it wider publicity and attention.
> How do you know what the police are, or aren't, doing from a very standard press release and one quote that was also standard Police speak to the press ?
As quoted in the piece and commented on by others, the statement seems to imply that the attack will only be given full attention by the cops if a racist element is certain. Isnt arson, which for all we know could have endangered life serious enough??
more like it! *blush* financials aint my strong point!!!
That's a bit of a leap. I'm all in favour of supporting Samuel and his family, but that doesn't mean I'm automatically in support of any 'outdoor activist'. Anyway, this threads
probably not the place for this sort of discussion.
they did report it afterall. Shame it wasn't worthy of a front page though
Poor bloke. Those photos are heartbreaking.
Yep, starts to bring it home even more.
I'm really glad that racism in football is finally being tackled strongly, and making the main news. With that and the other actions and publicity around things like the racist woman on the bus, it is becoming clear to the low life that it is just not acceptable any more.
Provincial areas will always lag on these issues. The Cornish councils, press, police etc should get their acts together to start communicating about the issue.
Horrible thing to happen. I'd fully support anyone who wanted to get together some kind of donation page, and happy to put a day in on clean up next time I'm near the area.
For those who've commented about justifying the rural community in disliking outsiders, It's ironic that a number of the young people the Hope Project seeks to support are ethnic cornish young people living in the larger towns in cornwall.
Not that it really makes any difference but some how more tragic how good their intentions are, trying to make a difference in a positive why.
Can't imagine how that conversation started by the f*cktards
"these people come here, set up a charity. Trying to help disadvantaged kids...they need to be taught a lesson"
I suppose you only need 1 or 2 people to have a really effective hate campaign. Rather than it being a bunch of people it's most likely just a few very stupid people.
That is disgusting
A reminder to us all to speak up when we hear things said that are wrong, and don't allow Racist, sexist, unkind behaviour to be normalised.
> That is disgusting
> A reminder to us all to speak up when we hear things said that are wrong, and don't allow Racist, sexist, unkind behaviour to be normalised.
Agree with what your saying here.We also need to challenge the racists and bigots who quite often haunt these forums.
Hopefully any fund would have conditions attached, eg they have to insure everything properly in the future.
I'd chip in to any fund if someone sets it up. Insured or not this is a truly terrible incident. One would hope the actions of a few idiots but if the wider community is inhospitable to outsiders they should be aware that they contribute to that action in a way. The victim is quite right, you don't see enough black kids in the great outdoors.
hello chris what can i say im realy realy humbled totaly, that you guys are talking about my sutuation hey the ful name of the org is the beacon of hope eco heritage trust and my tel is 07542187154 as for help you have done it already in me seing that im in a very smal bubble that isnt real . i havent got any tents rope hey poo the list is too big!! y know what the best thing for me would be to petition cornwal councils culture division to make them show how we can be protected from this type of thing espesialy when cornwall is going for the region of culture in 2 years we as outsiders, outdoors people, need to know that we are protected in doing good work for the youth local and afar .
there is a very large elephant in the cornish room and this needs to be discused . hey please invite all the comunity to come stay at the eco site on st agnes beacon hill and see the outrageous beuty that they want me to not show you i am on face book as samuel farmer .ericab you rock dave hooper you are a star keep shining
A little googling shows that Cornwall County Council Culture Contacts (that's a lot of Cs) are here:
I will happily drop them a line to raise my concerns about this issue and I hope others will too.
Good luck Hope Project
OK Sam. When the dust has settled please let us know what you need. A long list is fine!
Good work, cw!
if you'd like to talk to someone on a possibly useful committee of the BMC, email me through the forum (http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/email.php?u=32863 - post here to let me know if you're getting in touch, my email filters can be a bit harsh). Not sure exactly what might come of it but maybe we can find you some sort of practical support.
Of course it all stems from insecurity and jealousy, and as far as die hard cornish folk are concerned, even Devon and Dorset folk are unwelcome interlopers.
I just hope one day, these f*ckwits wake up and realise, that without tourism, they'd all be living on seaweed and gravel sarnies.
On a serious note, if the folks here on UKC are thinking of starting a donation fund for this poor guy and his family, count me in.
Sea weed and gravel sarnies ay ? thats sounds quite nice actually , I may try those tomorrow ;0). ( with a nice home made mango chutney )
I'm up for donating too , I will put a load stuff on ebay at the weekend and happily donate the funds from sales . Can probably donate a couple of days graft as well as some kit too .
Keep smiling Sam , be strong and hang in there man .
I hope it is a small minority, but it goes way back. In the 70s there was a pub in St Ives which refused to serve anyone with long hair (men that is) - the sign on the door said something like "no long haired hippies or students will be served"!
Seems they've moved up a step on the ladder of violence since... and there was me telling people in France that "Straw Dogs" was really exaggerated when it came out.
And yet there are also a lot of nice people in Cornwall... too much arsenic in the cider perhaps?
People seem to be desperate to make this a uniquely cornish/rural problem. There are knobheads everywhere. I'm sure if a country bumpkin moved to the inner city to set up an urban farm for vulnerable kids he'd get the same shit that Sam has had to endure. Fun as ranting at the inbreds is, it's not much help to Sam, and it's a form of denial that such things wouldn't happen in the sophisticated urban areas.
Yeah right... lets face racism by making the same sort of crazy characatures as the racists and pretend its all down to a few local stupid folk.
From that page:
"Racists have tried to run me over and they have chased me down the lane and spat on me. Police have repeatedly refused to take my statement. They say I have no evidence."
Maybe I'm a little bit old fashioned but isn't gathering evidence a f**king police job?? Is that why the murder level down there is so low - The police can't get a statement from the murder victim?
In reply to whole thread:
A meet would be a great idea and no doubt great fun too. Bet most of us have a bit of gear we don't need that could be donated, I know times are hard but whats a fiver? couple of pints or one session at the wall...
In reply to Sam:
Fight on mate knowing you have support here. there are no blacks/whites/ethnic groups here, just climbers :-)
Why is it that you always have an overwhelming need to take a contrary point of view on every bloody subject that's discussed on here.
how ironic, that in a post complaining about reputation of a country being tarnished becuase of generalisation, you have generalised about a part of our community. As someone born and brought up in the South West, with a number of my family there I find your post incredibly insulting. Perhaps I should send you my birth certificate, a photo copy of my Ba(Hons) degree in which I got a first and my car registration documents and my partner's birth certificate? Perhaps you have had bad experiences in cornwall becuase of your total lack of respect for the local people and culture?
fair enough, I've proved his point about IQ (or at least not being able to read!). I still find the language used to describe locals disrespectful though.
To be fair Goucho, which is hard because I find him to be generally disagreeable, he isn't having a go at the Cornish / South West, just a small minority that exist everywhere.
I actually disagree with him though, whilst only one or two people may have been responsible for this extreme act, we still live in a country where racism and other forms of descrimination are common and often widely tolerated in private. That point isn't specific to the South West.
> fair enough, I've proved his point about IQ (or at least not being able to read!). I still find the language used to describe locals disrespectful though.
I still think you are missing the point.
Me too, even the worst of the worst would aim highter than a corsa. Vectra or Mondeo maybe but not a corsa
I never came across pubs anywhere else with notices on the door telling long haireds they wouldn't be served though.... There's the one in Glencoe about Campbells, but that has a historical basis - I don't know if it's still there even.
Last time I was in Cornwall I was following a public footpath, signed from the road, which seemed to go through a farmyard come garden. I women was washing her car so out of politesse rather than any real need I asked if the path really went there... she replied with a snarl "Proper hikers have maps!" Charming, I thought!
Without generalizing I think there is evidence that there's a bit more resentment of outsiders down there than on average, but often, like my car lady, they are outsiders themselves who have moved there themselves.
> As quoted in the piece and commented on by others, the statement seems to imply that the attack will only be given full attention by the cops if a racist element is certain. Isnt arson, which for all we know could have endangered life serious enough??
No they say that they will of course take it seriously if it turns out to be a racist incident. Nowhere do they say they wil not take it seriously if it's not. That is being implied by those who read the, admittedly not very well worded, statement.
Arson of £70000 is not a minor incident and can only be tried at crown court due to how seriously the justice system treats it.
Your degree was obviously not in reading!
Hi all. It's a good thread, shows a lot of warm hearted people. I'm going to Cornwall on Tuesday morning and will be passing St Agnes. If anyone feels they can offer any equipment/cards/good wishes, I'll happily drop them off on my way through. I live in Sheffield (S7), and can collect stuff locally or feel free to drop it off at my house or I could meet you at one of the local walls. Probably easiest to contact me by personal mail through UKC.
No, not really.
> Agree with what your saying here.We also need to challenge the racists and bigots who quite often haunt these forums.
In the 12 years I have been prowling the forums, UKC has demonstrated a pretty good record of challenging and ostracising the racists.
Anyhoo, Someone suggested a Justgiving page or similar - good idea. Is it also a possiblity to arrange some sort of kit donation to get the guys back up and running as soon as possible?
The idea of some of us heading over to work on the rebuilding is great - count me in.
If there is somebody else planning on setting up an account, speak up or alternatively can everyone give me the go ahead on this? I'll give it a couple of days to get as many replies as possible.
I'm going down to weymouth in a couple of weeks from London. I can think of a million good reasons for continuing down to St Agnes and can't think of a bad one :-). If I can bring down kit from London, could I camp for a day or two as well before coming back?? I'll pay of course!
[I'd love to do it anyway, but really can't afford to do it just as a trip, dole and all that].
Any particular stuff you need / don't need? you can only have so many number 10 wallnuts before you have to start using them as windchimes ;-)......
Then you need to be getting in touch with the Superintendent, or maybe Chief Super, in charge of their community safety department and complain. If you believe the crime was racist then by law it has to be treated as such. It doesn't even have to fall into this category to be treated as a hate crime. You being an 'outsider' the work you are doing etc. all point towards that. It seems there has been a pattern of behaviour, not necessarily by the same people, that has left you a victim of a horrible crime and i would guess feeling very isolated and vulnerable. They should be queueing up to support you. However they may be trying to avoid marking a crime down as a hate crime due to it looking bad on their stats.
If you're not getting anywhere with the local police get onto your MP and complain. They are generally very helpful and don't all sit on their arses doing nothing. If they won't help get onto the MP for the area where your kids come from i am sure they will support you.
If you need any further advice on how to go about this kind of thing just get in touch via this site.
Best of luck.
Best wishes for the future,
Depends what level you've been dealing with. CID detective constable/sergeant who doesn't want a very hard to detect hate crime on their books or someone further up the chain who sees the big picture and wants to avoid repeat crimes or things getting even worse.
If you don't want to go to the police, and i understand that, then at least go and see you MP at their next surgery. They can get things moving like no-one else.
Sounds like things are moving with regard to UKC-ers offering equipment and practical support. Is anybody coordinating this effort ? I'm sure Sam doesn't want to end up with about 30 fluffy ropes and half a dozen mouldy cracked climbing helmets etc ect... If it's being used with youth groups it has to be 100% sound and useable. Kayaks-if anyone is donating any-will be less important as they get scratched and knocked about anyway. What about a few bags of horse feed! Sam mentions he uses horses in The Hope Project?
Great effort all round :)
> Sounds like things are moving with regard to UKC-ers offering equipment and practical support. Is anybody coordinating this effort ?
Hey Ericab, see my slightly earlier post, others have volunteered help and gear etc, sure things will come together over the weekend when folks have a bit more time to hand to make arrangements.
>> The idea of some of us heading over to work on the rebuilding is great - count me in.
Hmmmm this has all the trappings of a UKC Picnic/DIY weekend in Kernow.....now there's a thought!!?? :-)
La Sham x
I've made contact with Graham from Sheffield and will be meeting up with him to donate my surplus gear to the Sheffield to Cornwall run, would be good to get a list of what is needed, sorry if I missed it, it's a long thread.
Cheers for that Paul. I've got more donations to add to it as well, and offers of cash. Also potentially national media coverage, but that's always another story. As it were.
> Unfortunately this seems relatively common in Cornwall, not so much the Racism (as is pointed out there's very few ethnic minorities living there), but the general dislike of outsiders.
I have to agree. There is a Cornish nationalist movement which is virtually anti-everybody. I once got on the wrong side of them on a debate forum. They tried to get me to lose my job, and attacked my wife's employment. They even went as far as to post sick paedophile type comments under photos of our then 8 year old daughter on our photo hosting site. I’ve kept away from them since then.
anyone heading down that way from Surrey soon? I've got some gear I'd send down with you.
I'm going down from London in a couple of weeks.
I spoke to Sam and he said what is also really important is to contact the cornish cultural council .
> No they say that they will of course take it seriously if it turns out to be a racist incident. Nowhere do they say they wil not take it seriously if it's not. That is being implied by those who read the, admittedly not very well worded, statement.
Since I posted that Sam has confirmed on here that the Police are not part of the solution to his problems. Badly worded statement or actually revealing?! You have your view, I'll stick to mine
Anyone in Manchester who wishes to donate anything, I'll be at MCC tomorrow Sunday around 11AM for 2-3 hours, and I am making a run over to Graham in Sheffield with my donations on Sunday or Monday, he's taking stuff down on Tuesday.
I'll make myself known to the MCC staff, so ask at reception if you don't know what I look like!
Not sure what is needed, but to avoid overloading Graham's car I suggest nothing too bulky please, and as others have said, technical rock climbing gear is probably not appropriate due to PPE regs.
Hello again. I spoke to Sam, basically he needs anything connected with taking kids outdoors, so I guess that would include bulky things like tents and sleeping bags! I'll just stuff the car to bursting point and see how it goes.
He's asked me to start a thread with some of his thoughts/ideas, which I'll get round to doing fairly shortly.
You have a paranoia complex dear boy. I read stuff, I post where I want to make a comment, crack a joke, or whatever. I have no interest in you in particular.
"the small minority of under endowed inbreds, invariably married to their sister, and with an IQ which seldom gets into double figures, even when the whole family joins in, and who's lifetime ambition is to one day own a 15 year old Vauxhall Corsa, and to possibly have sex with someone they're not related too."
Is pretty distasteful and childish and makes things seem like racism is only perpetrated by especially stupid people. It takes away from the fact that these people are usually not so stupid and act on (usually unlawful) ideology in very deliberate ways.
Can't really fault them on that ;)
As an outdoor person I travel all over the UK (a lot) and I do find that as soon as I go outside London, specially Northwards or Westwards people do not like/welocme "outsiders".
I feel ok as I am just visiting for a few days at a time but I often think even though I would love to move to some of those places I would always feel out of touch and lonely even with a lot of friends in those places. Sometimes I try the locals and after saying I'm just visiting (which they always seem to welcome) I say I am thinking of moving there in a month or so and their expression/whole attitude changes straight away.
Also oustide London anywhere you go (outdoor/countryside places) people do not accept foreigners. On my outdoor activities no matter what they are everyone is great and welcoming being it climbing, caving, kayaking, etc... but as soon as you get out of that context people look at you like you don't belong and even if your english is perfect they speak down to you, usually with really stupid and invasive questions.
London might be cold as they call it but here everyone is accepted regardless of who/what they are. There's always a few idiots/imbecils everywhere and more so in London as there's relatively more people than anywhere else but at least everytime I come back to London I truly feel home.
I also feel that as soon as I go outside London police in general have the same attitudes as the locals and often are not too much help.
May I also add that from everywhere that I have been in the uk Devon is the place that I think is most unwelcome to strangers/outsiders/visitors.
> May I also add that from everywhere that I have been in the uk Devon is the place that I think is most unwelcome to strangers/outsiders/visitors.
Its funny how easily impressions of a place differ from person to person. You live in London so feel at home there, OK understand that. Totally different to the unhomely, cold (as you say) impersonal and seemingly miserable (does anyone on the Tube smile....ever?) impression I have of the place.
Really sorry to hear about your "unwelcoming" impression of Devon, my "home". I live near a place which happily increases in size tenfold every year due to visitor numbers, most of whom must feel welcome or they wouldnt come back year after year??
I suppose there must be insular narrow minded people just about everywhere....so I am well lucky as I very very rarely find them in my travels in the UK. Keep smiling!
> Its funny how easily impressions of a place differ from person to person. You live in London so feel at home there, OK understand that. Totally different to the unhomely, cold (as you say) impersonal and seemingly miserable (does anyone on the Tube smile....ever?) impression I have of the place.
I grew up in North Devon. Friendly people in N. Devon usually either work in the tourist industry, or have moved there from somewhere else. Racism and bigotry is perfectly accepted by the 'native' populous.
I would never move back there.
It is terrible what has happens to beacon hope trust, but to see the support and responses on this site!!
I met up with Sam and Carla in Truro today.
He was keen that I confirm he's a real person, he is!
I think it's safe to say that Sam's a bit overwhelmed by all the generosity that's been shown on here. He wasn't aware of UKC previously, so the huge influx of support he's received has come as a bolt from the blue, but he seems really chuffed, so well done all. I got the impression from Sam that he's recitent about approaching any relevent organisation/companies for help, after all he's used to standing on his own feet, so that's understandable. He accepts that they could do with the help however, so perhaps if anyone can help in this respect, then that might be worthwhile. (i've not read the whole of this or the other thread, so if anyone's done this already, then apologies and good work!)
Anyway, Sam and Carla are a really lovely couple and they indicated that the reaction here has already bolstered their belief in what they're trying to teach the kids they help, that the World is not always against them and that there are good people in all walks of life.
Whilst Sam has clearly been the victim of some pretty horrendeous acts of abuse, it's important to stress that generally speaking (personally) I don't believe Cornwall and more specifically the Cornish are as bad as they're being painted to be. I've lived in Cornwall and Devon on and off a few times since the late nineties now and I can't open my mouth without it being pretty obvious that I'm from out of town. I may not be a black charity worker, but as a white middle class male, from a fairly well off background, earning a decent wage by doing a job that frankly a monkey could do, I rather fit the picture of an incomer who might expect to be on the receiving end of some hostility from the more insular locals out there. Yet I work on a daily basis with all different sorts of people from one of the most deprived areas of this, one of the poorest counties in the UK and have never been on the receiving end of any hostility whatsoever. Cornwall is a conservative place and people by and large will tell it to you straight, but it's also a generous and friendly place and I and many other incomers would'nt stay here if it were not the case.
Unfortunately, Sam has obviously been a victim of a minority of people hell-bent on making others' lives a misery - and incidently, Sam suggested those responsible were incomers themselves. Not all the Cornish are like that and certainly not the people of St Buryan! (a la Straw Dogs).
Well done all.
> Well done all.
Definitely not all the Cornish are like that! The Cornish are warm wonderful people, my negative outlook posted above of Cornwall was coloured by a tiny minority of those calling themselves "Cornish nationalists", most of who were no Cornish, or were not living in Kernow. Petty nationalism does tend to attract that type!!
Well dome all indeed.
I don't see this as a Cornwall problem, I see it as a problem across the board. Not even a black problem(although that is what these Neanderthals have focused on), unfortunately from time to time I've witnessed instructors taking kids to the great outdoors; and the response has been negative by the community. Wither the reasons be due to "hogging" crags or causing a riot(a.k.a making a noise) and so forth. Some little towns dislike newcomers of any creed, particularly the city born, Imagine what they get like with a few lively teenagers god forbid they be wearing baggy jeans or hoodies, etc.
I wish the best to Sam Farmer, and if he needs help cleaning up I'm sure he would find it here.
> London might be cold as they call it but here everyone is accepted regardless of who/what they are. There's always a few idiots/imbecils everywhere and more so in London as there's relatively more people than anywhere else but at least everytime I come back to London I truly feel home.
That's purely your opinion. IMHO London has to be one of the worst places I've visited in the UK for general unpleasantness and threats of violence.
thanks for letting us know.
Keep you chin up Sam, poeple care and I hope you're back on your feet soon.
Let's get you back up and running then we can all donate our unused climbing / outdooors equipment later.
What an outrage, I'll keep my eye on this thread as I'm definately good for a contribution.
Keep us all posted on anything we can do. Is it worth setting up a blog, web page or similar so that it's easier for people to find ways to help?
I can set this up pretty sharpish if you like.
I am reading this right? The police say that because the alleged culprits don't admit they did it, the case is closed!
Just finishing building the Hope project a website this evening, speaking to Sam a great deal of thinks were burned including most of his pictures.
If anyone has any pictures of Sam, the project, The Agnes Beacon area or any images that are yours to give would be most helpful.
Links to any articles, news, stories, forums with any coverage would also be great.
If you can email me through this site anything that would be fantastic.
This is a duplicate post as ive put the same up in the other thread on this subject in the off belay forum. Sorry mods:)
> I am reading this right? The police say that because the alleged culprits don't admit they did it, the case is closed!
CSI Cornwall wouldn't make impressive viewing, would it? Wonder what the IPPC would make of this.
And I don't know if anyone else wants to but here is the local elected councillor
Hi Sam, it was me who text you about the rope & boots. You're a bit far away for coffee but I'll pop those things in the post for you and whatever else I can find that may be of use.
exclusive places and recreations by their description exclude people we at the hope project demand inclusion and diversity and the protection of the institutions from the agresion and marginalisation of the institutions.
we insist on buisnises adherrence to the tripple bottom line enviroment comunity and then profit so that the wealth of the world can be spread more responsibly .thanks for making me realise this sam x
just to say keep on keeping on, we're behind you, brother!
see ya soon, mate! Hope the weekend is good for you all :-)
Anyone from Edinburgh / Central Scotland want to contribute gear / money?
I'm happy to act as a distribution point.
Please make sure you cc firstname.lastname@example.org in any emails you send me. and my email address is my email@example.com
Sam... have emailed you to confirm you are happy with above and also about something else!
four pair of climbers boots a rope a fab tent ten crabs new 1 torch two fleeces 1 pair aproach trainers 1 harnes two day bags two fleeces black and blue, four chalk bags ,two cam flage sleepin bags and 2 waterproof trousers and a rope bag .thanks every one for the random act of kindnes please be asured the hope project is your camping spot for summer as our gesture of thanks sam x
You are welcome - I sent the boots.
Sam you are very welcome, some of this stuff was from me, other items were donated by Graham and others who I do not know. If I get down your way over summer I will certainly drop in!
Graham - many thanks for being the delivery driver, and glad you got some quality cornish climbing done!
They simply state they are not willing to associate with The topic at hand.... Not very useful.
Can a new thread be started to highlight the website to everyone?
Or maybe this has already been done?
Just chipped in a few quid. Thanks for the link. :O)
I'm good for twenty quid.
you are good when you have good things to give
but you are not bad if you have your own life to live
so if you see the rush of good river from people who give
becouse from your tears a sead i can sow
and from that sead rises a mountain forest with snow
and from that snow a glacier drips through
spring to lea
river to sea
now you see the raging good torrent is becouse of you KC x sam fanks x
A premier post is one used largely by commercial enterprises to advertise something or sell something. They appear in bold at the top of the forums page and change each time you re-load the page (or something like that). To see all of them click on the premier posts link on the left in orange.
or click here: http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/i.php?f=16
Nice poem, Sam.
thanks for posting!
I hope this thread & the help for The Project won't just vanish from the UKC.
Hey Sam , David , Alan I'll gladly pay the fee for a premier post for the donations page/site if it helps ?
Can you clarify, once it's all been rebuilt, will you be taking out insurance again?
I cannot understand why, its a win win situation for The Hope Project and for UKC.
Good point - if the project is being rebuilt on public donations, it needs to be safeguarded and stewarded properly.
In terms of transparency and stewardship I think we should not worry about it too much at the moment. Sam needs to get going on the planning which does not cost much. After that there will be considerable thousands of pounds to raise and personally I would want to see a clear plan, relevant insurances, licenses, preferably a bona fide charity etc etc. But all these things do not come overnight and I think Sam should be given the necessary support for now as things are.
(There is always a reason not to do some good but don't let it stop you)
> They simply state they are not willing to associate with The topic at hand.... Not very useful.
I had a reply also. Here is the full transcript:
Beacon of Hope Heritage Trust
Thank you for your letter of 9th February. We have now had the opportunity to look into this matter. We have established that Cornwall Council does not financially support the Hope Project or have any direct connection with it. However, regardless of this, CornwallCouncil would not and does not support racism in any form whatsoever. As with other public sector partners, Cornwall Council has a proactive duty (under the Equality Act) to: eliminate discrimination, harassment and victimisation, advance equality of opportunity and foster good relations between people.
We are working with partners, including the public sectore and in particular race equality voluntary sector organisations in Cornwall to address hate crime under the Safer Cornwall Partnership (please see link provided). This work is looking at:
- improving the under-reporting for race, homophobic and disability hate crimes and incidents
- making better use of the data public and voluntary sector agencies haev to establish a more complete picture around hate crime
- exploring 3rd party reporting mechanisms.
This work involves Cornwall Race Equality Council.
You may also wish to look at the Equalities pages (other links provided).
Culture Programme Manager
What I find interesting is that Julie has admitted that they have a "proactive duty" but in the same paragraph seems do a bit of sloping shoulders and nowhere in the letter states what they intend to do, but instead talks about their general anti-racism programmes.
Excellent stuff on your part though Rampkino , big pat on the back for that Sir .
Sorry if this has been quoted before but What did you ask the council to do?
Its copied from:
"Someone has to support Devon and Cornwall Police Service over the allegation (WMN Jan 12) that it failed to protect a mixed race individual, Sam Farmer, from racist abuse and the destruction by arson of a group of uninhabited temporary structures he owned on open land at St Agnes Beacon. Mr Farmer described the buildings as a centre for disadvantaged youth from inner cities.
One has to ask why the rural community of St Agnes, which is almost as far as you can go from the nearest substantial ethnic minority population, was considered a suitable location for this type of project, and why wasn't it being led by qualified Cornish youth workers who were properly funded, with the support and encouragement of the local community?"
Is it me, or is kind of, well, racist????
Press complaints commission editors code of conduct:
i) The press must avoid prejudicial or pejorative reference to an individual's race, colour, religion, gender, sexual orientation or to any physical or mental illness or disability.
ii) Details of an individual's race, colour, religion, sexual orientation, physical or mental illness or disability must be avoided unless genuinely relevant to the story.
I think they are sailing quite close to the wind. Might be worth a punt with a complaint, thought there is some wriggle room.
We have now had the opportunity to look into this matter further. We have established that Cornwall Council does not financially support the Hope Project or have any direct connection with it. However, regardless of this, Cornwall Council would not and does not support racism in any form whatsoever. As with other public sector partners, Cornwall Council has a proactive duty (under the Equality Act) to: eliminate discrimination, harassment and victimisation, advance equality of opportunity and foster good relations between people.
We are working with partners, including the public sector and in particular race equality voluntary sector organisations in Cornwall to address hate crime under the Safer Cornwall Partnership (please see http://www.cornwall.gov.uk/default.aspx?page=27766 for additional information ). This work is looking at:
· improving the under-reporting for race, homophobic and disability hate crimes and incidents
· making better use of the data public and voluntary sector agencies have to establish a more complete picture around hate crime
· exploring 3rd party reporting mechanisms.
This work involves Cornwall Race Equality Council.
You may also wish to look at the Equalities pages (www.cornwall.gov.uk/equality) and the Community Safety pages http://www.cornwall.gov.uk/default.aspx?page=1337 of Cornwall Council’s website for further information and contacts.
Support Officer, Culture Team
Chief Executive's Department
Tel (internal): 502716
Tel (external): 01872 224716
Room B1.04, Carrick House, Pydar Street, Truro, Cornwall TR1 1EB
Please let us know if you need any particular assistance from us, such as facilities to help with mobility, vision or hearing, or information in a different format.
That article makes the Mail and the Express editorials read like beacons of tolerance and progressive thinking.
Everying about it is bad - what difference does it make if Sam's client group are from an ethnic minority - are they not allowed to visit other parts of the UK. The artile is saying "if you're not like us, you're not welcome". It then goes on to insinutae that one so Sam's students set fire to the place!
A disgrace. I am actaully shocked.
Hi Sam & Carla, I am so sorry to hear about this awful attack on you and your dream, i have no old kit to donate but i have just donated £20, i hope that in some small way it helps to keep your dreams alive.
It is so nice to see that you now have a great new family in all who use UKC.
If there is anything i can ever do for you please let me know
Holy shit. They're not even trying to be subtle about it are they?
Bump ! Last call for donations. Going down early saturday, will reply tonight.
Peace & love,S people
Don't want to put a downer on this wonderful thread.but i saw this thread on the 'walkers' website, OUtdoor smagic.
The redsocks seem more interested in deciding what is racist or not than doing anything... :-(.
Of course, people may have been posting on here or doing something and not posting about it. It just made me sad comparing the response here from there.
Thin Bob , I recently heard from Mr P Lashmar ( investigative journalist ) who has pulled a few strings & cranked up the pressure in a few relevant places . He has been most helpful . I've also had a couple of threatening emails but thats another story , but its all in hand.
Don't forget send me a text & I'll get the rope , sleeping bags , harness's over to you at the weekend or in the week , whch ever suits you best ?
Go steady , Leon ;0)
good work, guv! I'd get Mazeer Mahmoud, except he's a bit busy with 'enquiries' ;-). Threatening emails? that stinks, mate...:-( What are we suggesting, drowning kittens?!?! FFS....
So yeah, am about in your borough over the weekend, will txt, deffo a beer, maybe a climb sunday / monday :-)
Revs high, course true, bruv. Drop it a cog & give it a handfull ;-)
I should be about sunday but can definitely jet over monday to get some climbing done at Portland .
The threats are just warnings apparently Bob , obviously they are a little rattled which I think is good , after some digging I've sussed out where & who they are from , just a couple of mugs blowing some hot air I reckon , nothing to worry me matey .... ;0)
Catch you soon Thin Bob & don't forget to pack your climbing shoes !
Good to see donations have reached quite an amazing amount. I will continue to toy with the site in my spare time, working kids etc stuff gets in the way.
Ive recruited the help of a media student who is willing to write the Project articles and updates for the blog and assist with social media etc.
Its juts a simple skin at the moment but with some time I will develop it to a custom platform. As promised Sam music download next. After i get a climb in on Saturday;)
Does anyone using Chrome have any issues viewing the site? Sorry for the nerd question.
That's mental and 'why wasn't it being led....'? Well, go on, no-one's stopping the qualified Cornish youth workers from starting their own charity to help disadvantaged youth. hat are they waiting for?
Sounds good Sam , I've got a decent sound system ( about 12 K RMS ) and a list of Djs , MC's singers that we could set up for a bbq in the summer maybe ?
I've also got a load of unreleased hiphop,dub & reggae tracks that still need to be heard , I'll happily donate some as down loads for the hope project with any monies going to the project . I will see if I can sort something out with Simmy , Chris W and the others involved .
One love Sam , keep on keeping on bro .
Yes, worthy of a typical UKC thread.
This one is a noble exception :-)
Peace, brother, seeya soon :-)
Nice work, webby & music dudes :-). Rock it!
Eh? don't understand what you're asking.
It's only the 'last call' for my roadtrip. Apologies for confusion :-)
sorry thought you were saying it was the last chance to contribute :)
> Its copied from:
> "Someone has to support Devon and Cornwall Police Service over the allegation (WMN Jan 12) that it failed to protect a mixed race individual, Sam Farmer, from racist abuse and the destruction by arson of a group of uninhabited temporary structures he owned on open land at St Agnes Beacon. Mr Farmer described the buildings as a centre for disadvantaged youth from inner cities.
> One has to ask why the rural community of St Agnes, which is almost as far as you can go from the nearest substantial ethnic minority population, was considered a suitable location for this type of project, and why wasn't it being led by qualified Cornish youth workers who were properly funded, with the support and encouragement of the local community?"
> Is it me, or is kind of, well, racist????
grrrrrrr.... horribly racist.
Just so the readers of thisiscornwall (a free local rag) know their publishers are not local and come from a city with a substantial ethnic minority population.
I'd encourage you to let them know what you think about this article and its author who is anonymous but a "trusted source"
Please do express your diastase for it though!
over to Sam on my log-in....... :-)hey guys fantastic night with bob who is now fat bob becouse he ate all the curry hey thanks not gnarly, nikinto, leon, the stuf is well needed and apriciated hey there was a fab mix of kit you guys are the new owners of the most beutiful land in cornwall bob agreas nice one get ready for the sun sisters and brothers .we went for a night walk on the clifs in the storm luging a case of beer and soggy skins it was realy fantastic . we are of now across the cliffs to trevounance cove to show him how massive the cliffs are when you go to the bottom then a quaint pint in a pub out of a warewolf film .speak soon sisters and brothers
I've just posted this on the "This is Cornwall" website:
"One has to ask why the rural community of St Agnes, which is almost as far as you can go from the nearest substantial ethnic minority population, was considered a suitable location for this type of project, and why wasn't it being led by qualified Cornish youth workers who were properly funded, with the support and encouragement of the local community?"
Have I really just read this? Is there some kind of embargo in place in Cornwall that restricts the people who set up facilities, and the people who use those facilities, to being locals? What is the point that you are trying to make when you say that St Agnes is a long way from the nearest substantial ethnic minority population'? It's a pretty long way from the nearest substantial Scottish, or Welsh, or Gay, or Royal family, or Banking, or Army population - I don't hear your howls of protest when their money pours into the local economy. Aren't we all British? Don't kids from inner cities, or more local estates, deserve a break?
And fires - especially when they strike in the same place more than once - can also be caused by racists ... and those that fan the flames.
Yes but there is a faction within Cornwall that doesn't want to be English - I hope that suggestion doesn't fan the flames even more.
Would it be more persuasive to point out that it's a free country and nobody was stopping anyone local from setting up a centre for disadvantaged kids..?
I'm heading to Sennen in a couple of weeks from Bristol and am going to drop by Sam and Carla's on the way to drop any gear I can collect from those in Bristol. My car is little and won't fit bouldering mats etc in but any gear you have that'll fit I'll take down with me.
I've been in touch with Sam and am not a scammer!
PM me with anything you might be able to spare.
> I'd encourage you to let them know what you think about this article and its author who is anonymous but a "trusted source"
Sent email expressing my disgust and also sent them a message on the this is Cornwall facebook page for all the cornish to read.
That's because they are guarding Winfield House which is the residence of the US ambassador to the UK. It is in the north part of Regents Park. Nothing to do with wealthy residents nearby. No conspiracy here ruckman
Here's my one.
This article is shocking and shouldn't be credited as journalism in any way.
The author is effectively stating that The Hope Project should not have started in St. Agnes as there are very few people from ethnic minorities living there.
Is the author suggesting that if children from inner cities and ethnic minorities visit St. Agnes to take part in The Hope Project, on a weeks course for example, then there will inevitably be some resentment to this from the local populus due to the colour of the childrens skin? Is the author suggesting the local populus are racist or just uncomfortable with people/children who have a different skin colour which is also racist?
Someone must defend the people of St. Agnes from 'this' article I think.
Writing that Mr Farmer's plans for The Hope Project could easily have failed even if the fire had not taken place is of very little journalistic worth and in no way relevant to either this article or the arson attack. If the author has actual evidence that funding was looking unlikely for Mr Farmer or that his plans were doomed to fail then the author should have made them clear and printed them. Anything else is just speculation and doesn't belong here.
The police and fire brigade have also confirmed that the attack was most certainly arson and thus the last paragraph of this article is no longer relevant.
Another climber, Cornwall.”
[connection fading in & out, so a quick one]
Ab. So. Lute. Ly AMAZING!
too long to go into, but the land is historic & beautiful & significant, and so is the project. Curry & beer excellent. Sam & Carla, total groovers :-).
gonna post pics tomorrow & do a proper write-up :-)
let's get the remaining £800 in & they can't stop us.
Peace & love, brothers & sisters, we *are* a family. Much love.
you liked it there then?
Why not contact Alan and write it up as a proper front page news article rather than a post in a thread :o)
Hey. I have just read the entire thread. I am studying outdoor education at Truro College and I only heard about this 2 wweks ago.
The response on this thread has restored my faith in humanity especially with what is going on in the world at the moment!
I have nothing to give, but as I live about 15 mins down the road I would like to offer my services to any work that needs doing, rebuilding, painting... anything hands on really.. I wish you all the best man, its a fantastic project and it will continue to be awesome in spite of the haters.
> Yes but there is a faction within Cornwall that doesn't want to be English - I hope that suggestion doesn't fan the flames even more.
There is a small, but vociferous and vicious minority, (see "revived Stannary parliament', "an Gof" and the "Kernow Celtic league"), who are anti-English, clueless and a disgrace to Cornwall. They alienate most of the sensible Cornish and kill off any hope of Cornwall getting recognition as a Celtic nation by being extremist, anti-English, anti everything in fact, and having myths and legends as their base for independence.
“and why wasn't it being led by qualified Cornish youth workers who were properly funded, with the support and encouragement of the local community”,
is pretty typical of the rhetoric of that sort of mindset.
I crossed swords with that crowd in the past, these days I just leave them wallow in their own bile and hate, they are nothing more than a Cornish BNP.
Another quick one...great idea David, I'll speak to Alan. And yes, Nikinko, I rather did enjoy it, even the getting a facefull of proper cornish weather...your rope stunned everyone that saw it :-).
The important thing now is to show that people are behind the Hope Project and are watching. PLease do continue to write to the newspapers and the council, particularly in a year when they're supposed to be promoting culture.
There are good people there amongst the bad; we need to let them know they have our support. It appears that there could be jealousy amongst the fear and hate.
We talked about logistics / basic business and Sam has his head screwed on, it's a proper ethical* business and there is a lot of potential. It's not just 'urban or ethnic' kids.
[*the 'triple bottom line' for a business: environment, social responsibility/benefit and only then, profit].
Peace, love and strength in adversity, bro's & sis's :-) xx
Transferred money from the donations to the planners today. Which will give Sam the permission needed to develop the project.
Very good to have a collective force, with the knowledge and skills this forum has as a collective it has the potential to help grow this project into something quite special.
Kindest wishes to you and your family. Best I could do was donate to the fund. Keep up the good work and stay strong.
I agree, good idea.
FWIW I've given the Hope Project a big shout, but I've also nominated you guys for the UKC response - wonderful example of a community (and a virtual community is still a community) coming together to do something great.
Nice one, WGU! bump it up! :-)
great limk, Bobble....but BAD trousers, Sam! Lilac, dude!?!?! ;-)
- i have some old rock shoes if they are any use ?
> likewise donated.
> - i have some old rock shoes if they are any use ? very mutch so brother you cant have to many rock shoes with lively kids abound hey you guys lialac pants are my way of saying everybody be diffrent, brave and diverse this is not brazil , (the film ) peace sisters and brothers ps who is danny boyle ?
I can bundle up a load of old rock shoes for you. Got one pair of childs size, the others are adult sizes.
Post on here when you need help with work on site. I know I'm not the only person who'd like to help with the build of the project. I'm cash poor, but time rich and I'd like to do something useful!
By the way, this is Danny Boyle: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000965/ Moderately successful director....
so to my family my friends i want known i want to be their throne that they can sit on as queens and kings and be lifted .
i want for them to be their favourite bird and then i would be the the wind to their featheed limbs and as they drift i shall lift with .
to my earthly child hood clay friends , i hope to be the pale translucent sky as it holds up their morning sun and at night i would be the blackness sourounding their moon making shure that their nest rest would not be disturbed to soo as they wait to wake to ebb to float asleap but still tellin jokes .
Just saw this. Paddy's day donation from Dublin on it's way.
Check the total, dudes, ain't no stopping us now! :-) x
sam: get some concrete/cement in a bag for when the Unity Boys come down, they can leave thier handprints! cool!
[they gotta wear rubber gloves, cement burns!] x
too right, brother Sam!
I think my statue should only be 23 feet rather than 34, though... ;-) Speak soon x
sounds like a great day, dudes. And the beer is good in that pub :-). fabulous place, the Beacon.
Leave some easy routes for me Johnny, eh? I always wanted to name a route... ;-)
You said "in tune with our tempo" - you've been hanging out with the dawes too long ;o)
Congrats on the progress and maybe post some architects drawings when they are completed.
Sam I have just read the article and can truly say it bought a tear to my eye. I am cornish and proud of this, I am disgusted that you have recieved such a hostile small minded welcome in this beutiful county.
I think that what you do is very worthwhile and important if you can inspire just one young person through the project then its worth every penny, and the north coast will certainly help to inspire many.
Sadly you have met the few who give everyone in this beutiful area a bad name. I wish you every luck :)and I hope that whoever is responsible is found and put before the courts.
hope to see you around
I'm another of these cash poor but time rich people, I can't spare anything other than my time.
I'm not too far over the Tamar so if there is a big day of lifting/painting/moving stuff please count me in.
I've also, for what its worth, dropped a email to a old school friend who work in media/marketing back home in Truro to see if we can raise any more awareness and prove us Cornish are not narrow minded fools.
Nothing short of a disgrace.
Yeah, I remember talking about it & I remember seeing a post from a Wild Country guy to help re-equip..would love to thank them personally..Nice one!
and if you do see this, Mr Wild Country...call me if I can help..i filled the jamjar with gear once & drove from London, can certainly do it again :-)
Best of luck in the future Sam, keep up the good work.
As you might know, I've been helping Sam with some admin stuff for the Beacon of Hope project. He just called to say Wild Country phoned....they're packing up stuff today! Harnesses, helmets, ropes, shoes, krabs etc....12 of EACH!! Amazing, fantastic, brilliant stuff!! The sun came out !
Thank you Wild Country :-)
Just spoken to Samuel, he's got some work going this summer. He's planning on borrowing boats from a mate down there. He's soon to receive a batch load of kit from wild country and has people funding the young people coming down to the centre. I believe he has them for four weeks during July and August.
I have agreed to do some work for him, although he is also looking for a female SPA who is based or can work in Cornwall over the summer. Any takers?
Yes, yes, absolutely. Alan, you're a diamond!!
More good news!
Can't say who just yet, but a couple more gear manufacturers are donating this week :-) Woohooo!!
Step up, Steph & Marmot!! Thank you so much for sending gear :-) Sam was gobsmacked with the new gear, I've been having fun with minor repairs on the others..and plenty of building / art materials :-)
Much love & peace
This is an amazing response to a horrific story. First time in 3 months I've read the Forums here so only just seen this.
I don't have kit to give, so best I could do was a very modest paypal donation. Good luck with the rebuilding, Sam.
got some gear if anyone's making a trip down from London.
Best wishes trollman
Good man! Nice one, chief....i'll put another post up before i go down, hopefully in a couple of weeks :-)
Apologies for being a pedant but we are actually a recruitment company (specialising in HR & IT).
We donate to a number of causes via 1% for the planet (www.onepercentfortheplanet.org) every year, and we tried to get Sams project authorised as a non-profit. Unfortunately for a couple of technical reasons he didnt get approved but 1% allowed me to count the donation as part of our 1% in any case, so big thanks should go to them for being flexible, and by extension, Patagonia clothing (both founded by Yvon Chouinard).
If any of you are in a position to influence your businesses to join 1% for the planet then I thoroughly recommend it.
Also, if any of you hire for HR or IT people in your company, please bear us in mind as continued support from our clients allows us to do this sort of thing!
I was thinking that a combination of the following might work but wanted to check if any of them have already been done and what, if anything happened?
Twitter - tweeting about what happened with a link to the donation page and then asking "celebs" that are heavily followed to retweet
Newspapers - contacting all the major newsdesks (Ive got a mate who was a journalist who might be able to help us in terms of how best to approach this
Contacting Anti-racist groups - they would have better press contacts than us, probably, and could help the above. Who are the major ones?
Camerons Big Society - it seems to me that the government struggle to pitch this concept and, putting aside the politics of it (Im only interested in the outcome), this would seem to be a good example of the "big society" in action. I therefore wondered if we shouldnt contact Downing Street to alert them to this example. The publicity could potentially be similar to the whole thing that happened with Cameron on mumsnet etc? Might be clutching at straws there though.
I like your other ideas though :)
> I like your other ideas though :)
I basically agree with you (and I suspect Sam may feel similarly to you) but, as I said, surely the potential outcome would matter more than the politics of the situation?
I do apologise. Its fantastic that such a scheme exists. it really helps small buisness out and in turn helps other buisness. Excellent.
Indeed Patagonia need a big thanks. Not only for being part of the project, but making fantastic wetsuits! They kept me warn this winter just gone thats for sure.
I am meeting Sam later this evening. We are going to discuss various ideas for the website and posters etc...
I will also have a chat with him about the tweeting ideas, Celebrities, etc etc...
Youse is Top geezer! :-)
'Hope Not Hate' is on the radar for a pinging, as is a follow up from 'The Voice'. gotta sort out Avazz as well.
This is a 'big society thing', though I'm with Alyson: i'd rather be found dead in a ditch with Bernard manning than let scameron et al get his tentacles on it. Unless they, maybe, donated body parts for the cause... ;-)
this is not a advertisment this is me we need to make other companys follow their lead so we can live in a cleaner , healthier , more sustainable world please use Annapurna , wild country , UKC , and now marmot these companys care lets get behind them thanks and pass on to them the glow sam x
Keep up the good work
hey a good time for a donor name thank, thank you to edwin m ,tomk h,stuart h,dan h,ivan b duncan m,michel h,ryan m,kathryn c,aw reid ,luke s,serena t,eleri d,sam r. rob van h wow fab name niel m,ashley f,heather l,phew only twenty to go
its a good week guys as you know annapurna helped loads we are this week making the toilets and a new roof on the nest , hey donors club i meant what i said this summer the land is yours come an enjoy it ,
still having a open land session june 1 to 5th come if you need a fab place to camp ,a bonfier /barbie every night, and a chill time on the beacon hill june 5 th is massive queens paid fo bonfire time so its a bring an sing what have you, thanks guys speak soon sam xx
Cheers all - I'll try and take some piccies while I'm down there so people can see how it's coming on.
anyhow thanks thanks guys you made me look at myself by your generous help i will get the kids to make a vid saying wow (im geting very exited noises from the kids , ps we have employed two tearaways from the village and they are now becouse of this becoming a digger driver (jamie) and a carpenter (dave ) plus thin bob aka deisel has got therapy from the work and love he experienced so wow its working WOW XXXXX SAM
Fantastic week, many good things and green shoots...and dug dirt :-)
Another report soon, long & short of it is that UKC & Annapurna cash has enabled a real solid start, foundations dug, debating corner etc etc. (& amazing amount of gear from from Marmot & Wild Country of course).
Peace & love, you've really started something , people :-) xx
We were working on getting the essentials in place before the first bacth of kids arrive in August, so the toilets are fixed in place and ready for completion, and Butterfly Corner (the chill-out area I guess although to be honest the whole place is a chill-out area!) is good to go, with fireplace in situ and the hotseat built for whoever is leading the discussions.
Sam's also built a debating area up in the opposite corner of the site in honour of UKC, all the support it's shown and for the benefit of those who will be descending for his open weekend of hospitality shortly. Going to be interesting to find out how face-to-face debating goes down as opposed to online!
Just a quick shout out from my own observations while I was down there - the support he's received with all the climbing stuff has been amazing; personal and individual members' donations and now several of the manufacturers and suppliers chipping in with all sorts of stuff too. I reckon he could do with a few tools though to help get the rest of the DIY parts of the project built. Even the basics - spades, screwdrivers, saws (there's a LOT of wood to cut), buckets, seldgehammer... If anyone has any spares kicking around however old and knackered and happens to be passing by I'm sure they would go down well.
If you get the chance pop down and see it - highly recommended!
Sam sends hugs...and coffee...and fish :-)
New article soon I hope. Also hope the weather clears up ;-)
Absolute top idea! depending on which way you come, we might be able to meet Leon for a climb at portland, too :-).
Deffo gotta get Sam out on the rock again....if only to slow him down ...;-)
[Good luck with the job, BTW!]
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