/ Welsh 3000 advice
Going to have a go at running?! the welsh 3000 next bank holiday weekend, six of us are
Camping at Nant Peris so have decided to start at Pen y pass, I'm after advice on the
route back down from Snowdon to Nant Peris, is there a rough path of sorts and how steep.
We walked it two years ago, starting with a crap bivi on snowdon, did it in 17hr with a few
long stops, we're all about 345 marathon pace fit, so is 12 hours about right for our day out?
Also do we start the timer on top of crib Foch or at pen y pass, every minute counts!
thanks for any advice
IainRUK is your man for that, email him I'm sure he'll answer your Qs
Starting from Pen Y Pass you are reversing the first three peaks, unless you go up the Pyg. From Pen Y Pass you could start on Crib Goch and then descend the Llanberis Path once you have been up Snowdon.
The standard route is Snowdon first then turn left at the end of Crib Goch and descend into the corrie and down to the bridge on the road, slow going.
The Llanberis Path is a fast descent and puts you a similar distance from Nant Peris.
our original plan this time was to be lazy and catch train up snowdon but it won't get us there till 10am which is too late as we want to be in a pub in the evening, don't say run faster.
We will try the track down from halfway station, sounds interesting
Ps meant Grib Goch
every time I go off course, I fancy a different route as done the standard north ridge
decent last time
Walk up slowly. Start the watch at snowdon summit > Carnedd Ugain > Crib goch.. back track to the bwlch descend down glas mawr to the road > Elidir..
3:45 pace.. sub 12 should be comfortable...
If wanting to start with crib goch the two quickest descents are at clogywn station, cwm hetiau, or further on, just passed Llechogg.. but its definitly quicker starting from snowdon..
Clogwyn station decent, if misty prob slow walk up and start on Snowdon and follow normal
route, don't think we're get train up as it takes a while to get back from Foel Fras to campsite.
Think iv made a plan now
who told you that and why would you even think that was a good way to go about it?
I've only used PyP when doing the 3000ers as a loop.. normally nant peris > elidir > glyders > Ogwen.
I've done it 3 or 4 times now.. never quick.. think 8 hrs was my quickest guiding a mate but there was snow around and we did N > s which is slower..
How did Goatfell go? Kinda thought the road/terrain mix would suit you?
Great race. Absolutely incredible island. Never visited when I lived there. I ended up going out for another 10 mile run on the tops afterwards as loved it so much.
Almost 100 miles in the last 7 days so legs felt tired. Es T won, 1:20:30 or so I was 1:26. First proper fell race since September and first shorter distance one since the Snowdon race last july I think.. due to US trips and injuries and marathon focus..
Really enjoyed it though. Stunning day today, went up Goat Fell again so I could get the views and also watch a few of the island peak runners..
Couple of additional questions: Has anyone got estimated time (in percentage of total terms I guess) for each section: Snowdon/Glyders, Carneddau
Coming off the top of Glyder Fach to Bwlch Tryfan the top of the scree path is a mess. Is it better to cut right for 200 ft or so (towards Galt Yr Ogof) and then cut back to the main path?
You may think that an hour to get down to Aber falls at the end is a bit long, but my legs weren't still with me :-)
I always think the Glyders and the Carneddau about equal out.
You can't race the route though. Its too far. This year we're going for a staggered start aiming to finish at similar times at the end..
> Couple of additional questions: Has anyone got estimated time (in percentage of total terms I guess) for each section: Snowdon/Glyders, Carneddau
> Coming off the top of Glyder Fach to Bwlch Tryfan the top of the scree path is a mess. Is it better to cut right for 200 ft or so (towards Galt Yr Ogof) and then cut back to the main path?
The gully is horrible but its the quickest way..
> The gully is horrible but its the quickest way..
Thanks. Ill be going for a good walking time rather than running/racing. Does my alternative idea exist? Looked like it did from half way down.
path but wanted to get back to campsite at Nant Peris to pick up kit and loo break etc
before heading up again, I think I will choose our route on this section the day before
Llanberis Path is way too long..
The North Ridge provides an eye catching route but its probably technically harder than doubling back, plus further..
Re the descent down Cyrn Las.. I think we all use different routes.. I go off the outflow of the llyn, just after the tree.. others go much further right.. others to the left and down Cyrn Las.. the RHS descent is said to be quickest.. I need to recce that one.
The main Elidir Path is now obvious..
Postman.. there are a few paths later on but its easiest to carry on down towards Y Foel Goch and take the miners track back.. but that's a fair detour. TBH the most logical and enjoyable route would be Bristly Ridge itself..
Thanks to you and all respondents
Keen to have a crack at this sometime this summer.
Just a couple of queries not picked up above:
A. Route off Tryfan = going to go up east ridge of Pen yr Ole Wen so need to come down to Glen Dena. Have heard a few theories - most recently head back to south col from Tryfan summit - scoot down to track parallel with Heather Terrace.
B. Where to finish - Aber falls - car park at end of road?
PS - to Trollman - how did you get on?
I was at the Nant Peris campsite this BH Monday - rekkied the first leg descent down from Crib Goch to the campsite. Crib Goch was mad busy!!
A: West gully.. head down the north ridge, 20 yards on hit a small bwlch, descend left.. steeply down the gully, at the bottom turn right and skirt under tryfan down to milestone buttress car park..
Your other ways are far far longer..
B: Aber top car park is the easiest.. you can also go to the conway valley side, I forget the name of the car park but its a long drive around.
To get to Aber go direct, head off FF, before Drum, descend to the llyn and walk out via the track..
Thanks for that - thought as much.
So its north off summit to gully - down to west then skirt round north etc - makes sense.
Was supposed to rekkie this yesterday but weather so poor binned it after Glyders!
Up to Crib Goch...
From summit of Crib Goch until battery died at 1:47pm. (This shows the decent to Nant Peris)...
Got to the summit of Foel Fras at 3:56pm, and down to the car at the top of the Aber road at 4:45.
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