/ Checking if I have the right Jacket
It's got a little colder here the last couple of days and talk of snow on the Ben and such has got me to start thinking about winter. I was flicking through numerous old winter climbing guidebooks / magazine articles and have come up with a Jacket / Grade colour coordination but as my info is so last year I am wondering if this still works for this year or do I need to shift the colours about or buy a new jacket or get better?
Grade I Black Jacket
Grade II Yellow / Jacket
Grade III Blue Jacket
Grade IV Red Jacket
Grade V Green / Yellow Jacket
Grade V and above Orange Jacket
On the othet hand, maybe I should buy an orange jacket?
Where do wooly jumpers sit in all this?
> Where do wooly jumpers sit in all this?
Pffft In the Clachaig of an evening mate sorry.
I was thinking the green jacket might be a little under graded.
:-) That's good and not too far from to reality as well I think. Boots? You forgot about boots, I'm sure they follow a similar progression.
Hang on, you're forgetting the critical trouser component in this. Your above suggestions are all well and good paired with black trousers, but goes completely to pot otherwise.
Blue jacket and black trousers may well be grade three, but what about blue jacket and green trousers, probably about VIII or IX? And the black jacket, when paired with orange or yellow trousers is the sign of the true alpine elite.
Is right mate.
The grade comparison goes to pot when you add trousers.
It's my belief that you are only allowed to wear black or gray pants till grade VI
> Pffft In the Clachaig of an evening mate sorry.
Ah sorry, I got distracted by my dad's 'Blacks 1971 winter catalogue' :)
I find that the layering system works really well. I wear blue jacket on grade III, but on grade V I would simply take it off and climb in green fleece.
> Is right mate.
> The grade comparison goes to pot when you add trousers.
> It's my belief that you are only allowed to wear black or gray pants till grade VI
Hmm, I'm on a blue jacket sand (think chino) trouser combo that has got me up routes to V so far. Can I wear this to progress further or would a change of pant colour to green be advised?
> Hmm, I'm on a blue jacket sand (think chino) trouser combo that has got me up routes to V so far. Can I wear this to progress further or would a change of pant colour to green be advised?
Beyond this a change of pant colour to brown would be inevitable for me personally.
Easy there tiger you are on the cusp.
A little more work on your strength and commitment and you will be able to wear the "sand" pants with pride and I would start looking at the pataguggi / mammut colour pants offerings :-)
And when I solo I wear a black jacket...
Where does tweed or gabardine fit in on this scale?
How much does a well frosted beard shift the grade?
we clearly need a grading system with three components to simplyfy things could I suggest:
trouser colour/jacket colour/fabric?
'dorsal arete' would be
'the hurting' would get a weighty
this could clean up all those niggling grade/clothing debates.
I put them in the same bracket as wooly jumpers I'm afraid, they only belong in the clachaig of an evening.
Now a home knitted beanie that's a different ball game.
I do think the yellow / green / orange needs a little more thought but I don't think it's far off :-)
I like your thinking
It would stop all the queuing at the fin on dorsal arete.
"Sorry Mate you will have to use the by pass route you got a black jacket"
yeah - we will need good signage at the base of routes though, maybe chiseled into the rock?
We are on to something here
daub paint on the rock up the routes and your jacket has to match the colour of the paint.
My jacket's multi-coloured. Is there a mathematical equation, using the grade applicable to each colour, which I can utilise to calculate my optimum grade?
> I like your thinking
> It would stop all the queuing at the fin on dorsal arete.
> "Sorry Mate you will have to use the by pass route you got a black jacket"
But I've got my Silver/Orange/Carbon fiber boots on?
Add half a grade for every secondary colour to the primary colour of the jacket.
Sorry Jackets and maybe Pants only for this calculation but watch this space for boots and crampon / grade chart coming soon :-)
> We are on to something here
> daub paint on the rock up the routes and your jacket has to match the colour of the paint.
genius! - maybe what we could do is use different colours to mark holds - so that (say) if you were forced to climb a route in the wrong clothing you could select harder/easier holds to compensate for your error?
No a better idea would be to have number locked wardrobes at strategic venues (bothies and the likes) filled with different coloured jackets.
At the start of the winter season you have to submit evidence to BMC / MCOFS to what grade you climbed they then give you a unlock code for the right coloured wardrobe.
What do you think or is this over complicating things?
Maybe the outdoor shops should require to be shown a certificate from MCos or BMC before selling a jacket in the higher grade colours.
On the contrary, I think you're over simplifying
> Maybe the outdoor shops should require to be shown a certificate from MCos or BMC before selling a jacket in the higher grade colours.
I think there is an all party commons committee due to report on this - scheduled to reveal its findings next time Kinder Downfall is in as I recall.
Generally agree. I climb around V/VI and have a green jacket. When I climb chalk I step down to IV and wear a red jacket.
I think if you have gloves that match the colour of your jacket then add another grade.
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