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Anywhere in Europe, nice destinations a plus as I can take the wife and offset the brownie point debt I'll build up training through the winter!
Lochaber ( start/finish Fort WIlliam ) is a very flat out and back course, not much support along the way, but great scenery.
Check out "Steve on Sax"...
What more d'you need?
Lovely route and a great race - but with the exception of Snowdonia and Langdale, I'd say one of the least PB-type courses on the calendar.
And just try getting an all-you-can-drink deal AND a smoking room in Ambleside.
Every time I've raced on the Fylde coast I've found myself being blown backwards and developing a perfectly smooth complexion courtesy of a complementary sand blasting! :)
> Every time I've raced on the Fylde coast I've found myself being blown backwards and developing a perfectly smooth complexion courtesy of a complementary sand blasting! :)
I did the Fleetwood Half a few weeks ago, miles 7-10 into the wind along the prom cost me about four minutes. Really flat, but I would happily swapped that wind for a big hill.
I'm going to enter this - I've done London and it was fun but so hard to get into - and now I live in France so Paris is easier.
I see that the OP is in Sussex, so a Eurostar train from Ashford to Paris would actually be easier than many of the other races north of London.
Manchester- the new course is very flat.
I did it this year, it was wet and windy and various bits were through flooded roads and ankle deep mud. The new course avoid these.
Jungfrau looks good for Sept but I'm after a pb and sub 3!
Otherwise I've only done Jungfrau, Loch ness (not that quick some sharp climbs), Snowdonia (4 times), Kiel.
And then in the States Austin, Boston, Fort Worth and this weekend Mt Desert Island.
2:42 (Austin), 2:44 (Boston), 2:46 (FW), 2:50 (Kiel), 2:51 (Snowdonia '11), 2:53 (LN), 2:56 (Snowdonia '10), 3:01 (Snowdonia 09), 3:03 (Snowdonia 08), and 3:31 (Jungfrau).
Snowdonia isn't that much slower than Loch Ness, which is down hill but some short sharp climbs.
Potentially Boston should have been my quickest but it was 30 C, and Austin was ran off zero rest and its a hilly course. 2:51 in Snowdonia is probably my best run though.
Rome might be a nice one and it would probably get you brownie points, but given the city is famously built on seven hills, it might not be all that flat.
A friend of mine did Paris this year. His main recollections were of standing around for ages before the start, getting very cold, and not getting warm for the whole race.
> A friend of mine did Paris this year. His main recollections were of standing around for ages before the start, getting very cold, and not getting warm for the whole race.
Any big city marathon will involve this (although my only experience is London) as the logistics make it impossible to move 10s of 000s of people any other way.
The advice is always to take some old trackie bottoms/fleece or a bin bag to wear to keep warm and then ditch them at the start.
Great scenery and great (free) food stalls at the end helped too.
I've done Paris. It's local for me so easy to get to. Not a bad race -- loads of people so it has all the upsides and the downsides of any big city marathon. Crowd support is thin though, there are some empty, non-descript bits on the eastern and western edges of the city too (the bois de Vincennes and bois de boulogne). Organisation is good enough. The course is mostly flat but not Berlin flat. This year was cold and windy. Last year was hot...
Mont St Michel is a really nice one: very small (about 4,000 runners) so if you're a running at 3h15+ you'll have much much more space than you would in a big city marathon. Easy to get to too from the UK. It starts in Cancale (near St Malo) and follows the bay to the mount, finishing on the causeway. It's mostly very flat, you can enjoy the scenary and there is good crowd support in the villages. There are nice places to stay in Cancale/St Malo and great seafood to be had there. Helps if you have a car -- in which case a portsmouth-cherbourg or Newhaven-Dieppe ferry will get you close by.
Never done Rotterdam, but it's known as a fast/flat course if you're chasing a good time. Rotterdam isn't much of a "destination" though. Otherwise I've heard good things about Rome and Milan. Likewise Barcelona which I'm doing in 2013.
I've done Paris twice and the organisation is great, nice scenery and good crowd support. It's not exactly flat and the underpasses along the Seine are a bit of a killer around 25-35k, but otherwise good. If you want to get into Paris, you should sign up fairly soon.
Geneva is very small and it least when I did it, it was a two lap course. Very flat, but also very boring, especially the bit going along the lake on one side of the road and coming back the other. It's a very small race as well and practically no crowds.
Rome is not exactly flat and the cobble stones are a killer in the last 5k or so. Wasn't too big a fan of the organisation as well as it was really hot this year.
Edinburgh is excellent as well if you're looking for a pb.
Loch Ness is great scenery and organisation-wise, but held in September and not flat at all.
Berlin has already been alluded to in the thread, but not proposed. A friend of mine ran it a few years back hoping to get a good time to qualify for another race (NY, Boston?). He got a PB, but didn't hit his qualification time, however he loved the race. Very flat, well organised, said support was good, and it's a nice city to visit in any case.
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