/ should you accept youre getting old ...?
all my friends think ive got a screw loose and should just get on with accepting that isnt what people of my age do .
sometimes i think why bother pushing myself,just get fat, watch tv take the dog out for its walk and accept that im getting on and be like everyone else.
anyone got any thoughts on getting older?
Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Robert (age 22 and 1/2) so no idea about MLCs.
It's better than the alternative, as Dave Allan once observed.
The body may age but as long as your mind stays young, nimble and open to new opportunity you'll be fine. By those standards I've met people in their twenties who have already become senior citizens.
Forget age and just climb. Simple as that and ignore the idiots that keep reminding themselves and everybody else that they are too old to do what they are doing. They'll talk themselves into an early grave and you, if you're smart will be climbing, boxing and having fun.
I'm off climbing now and btw I'm older than you.....
Yes you have to accept getting old but that is not the same thing as giving up or not trying something because it interests you
I am only 45 and climb and ride bikes. I am still trying to improve my standard at both but I do accept that the gains are smaller and harder to get but they are still gains
Various things like recovery times and injurys take longer as you get older, this you have to accept but it should not stop you trying
My dad is 76 and is still trying to improve with his road biking
They are wrong!
Carry on climbing, skiing, Alpinism, but do take precautions.
You can still do what you used to do, but need more preparation beforehand and longer gaps between trips to recover. I recall a few years ago being totally shattered after climbing the Dent d'Herrens, though it was a very long day (3:30 am to 10 pm), I was much more worn out than I would have been 10 or 20 years before. Nonetheless, I still got up and down it in one piece, so can still do Alpine routes.
If you lose fitness and resilience, it is much harder to recover as you get older, but you can keep it going by continuous limited exercise. Be very aware of injuries, protect them and spend money to limit body-impact, e.g. on cable-cars, hut-meals, good lightweight gear ect. Things like tendons do get more brittle with age, so try to protect them and stop a session if they give warning - the loss of activity for 6 months if you seriously bugger yourself will set you back far more than finishing a wall session half an hour earlier than intended.
If you do get soft-tissue injuries, pay for physios etc to get something done about them, don't just assume they will get better of their own. If they do it will be much slower than with help, and recovery will in any case be getting ever slower.
Its the other people that have been conditioned/brainwashed.
Do whatever you enjoy doing.
53 is young in the Climbers Club, Alpine Club or Fell and Rock Club. Plenty of people of 53 and older climb - there are thousands of them out there! I know people in their 80's who are climbing and biking...
> anyone got any thoughts on getting older?
Yup, you only get one shot at life. Squeeze as much out of it as you can.
NEVER accept your too old! Do not take any notice of you couch potato friends!
I played football until I was 39. Then Rugby Union until 47. Started mountaineering age 52(mainly hiking, scrambling,some low grade climbing).Trained for 10 weeks and entered a white collar boxing event aged 55 and beat a 42 year old opponent in front 44 family and friends. The whole experience was a great buzz. The atmosphere was fantastic! Went to the Ecrins with a group of experienced friends for 8 days at age 56. It was the hardest thing Iv`e ever done. I`d never pushed myself to that level before. In hindsight, I should have been fitter, but I`d love to go back. I`m now 57, and have plans to keep pushing myself onto more adventures.
However, I do suffer from numerous aches and pains, weakish lower back, sore bunion on my left big toe. It is definately harder to maintain a high level of fitness and recovery is a lot slower. But it`s worth it!!
My body will give in before my mind gives up!
By the way, nearly everyone I know thinks I`m nuts as well.
'We do not stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing'.
53!? Don't start making excuses as to why you shouldn't be doing anything half interesting until your 70. :D (at 70 your fecked from then onwards) ;)
Only 7 years left to train (and learn Spanish?)
> NEVER accept your too old! Do not take any notice of you couch potato friends!
> I played football until I was 39. Then Rugby Union until 47. Started mountaineering age 52(mainly hiking, scrambling,some low grade climbing).Trained for 10 weeks and entered a white collar boxing event aged 55 and beat a 42 year old opponent in front 44 family and friends. The whole experience was a great buzz. The atmosphere was fantastic! Went to the Ecrins with a group of experienced friends for 8 days at age 56. It was the hardest thing Iv`e ever done. I`d never pushed myself to that level before. In hindsight, I should have been fitter, but I`d love to go back. I`m now 57, and have plans to keep pushing myself onto more adventures.
> However, I do suffer from numerous aches and pains, weakish lower back, sore bunion on my left big toe. It is definately harder to maintain a high level of fitness and recovery is a lot slower. But it`s worth it!!
> My body will give in before my mind gives up!
> By the way, nearly everyone I know thinks I`m nuts as well.
my hero ! will keep up the boxing ,fancy a good scrap myself!!(you up for another fight ?!)
Thanks to all.some encouraging thoughts and stories here, will continue to push the boundaries till i fall off the perch and leave it to others to get old.!
have you considered changing all your friends @ :-)
Keeping fit keeps you young :-)
I don't plan on going back to hang gliding until I'm at least 70.
I'm 53 and am still training and improving at climbing.
Don't make excuses for not having a good time.
You can do wahtever you want, just face the fact you'll have to do it in beige corduroy!
> You can do wahtever you want, just face the fact you'll have to do it in beige corduroy!
No you won`t, do as Jenny Joseph says,"When I am Old I shall wear Purple"!
"Purple tracksters" didn't scan so well...
Who is this by? Any title?
Do Not Go Gentle Into That Good Night
Then there's this guy
Amazing, and slightly mental.
I'm going senile.
Get new friends, who climb too and have as much fun as possible.
Age is in the mind, as long as nowt nasty happens to the brain. What stops you is what happens to the body. I say keep on going until it's physically impossible. As for looks, just accept it, and grow old gracefully.
> (at 70 your fecked from then onwards) ;)
Cheers Rob,I`ve got something to look forward in 9 years!
I'm 55; I climb, ski, do dog agility competitions with 1 Springer and just started training with the other. I've almost finished completely updating/redecorating my home (on my own except for plumbing, windows and electrics), finished digging a wildlife pond using only a spade and got home tonight at 23:00 after playing with my Concert Band at a Charity Concert (at which I played a solo "Gabriel's Oboe") in aid of Cornwall Air Ambulance. At Bosi in September on day 2 of a learn to lead course, a younger lad in his 30's was talking about age and looked questioningly at me. I told him I'm 55. "Bloody hell," he said. "Good on you. You're s'posed to be home watching telly!!!" Personally - I can't think of very much worse!!!
Getting? You are old. But that doesn't mean you have to lie down and drill the coffin nails from the inside. If anything it gives you more reason to do whatever it is you find interesting.
Find ways to bring out the best attitude in yourself. People around you are def a big influence. Go looking for someone with same passion/ability.
I don't want to live forever. I DO want to look back and say I feel like I did all I could.
Another perspective is that in our fifties I think many people find that they have more responsibilities at work, and at home, than they have ever had before. I am better now at handling stress (and I get a hell of a lot of it) than I have ever been, and I would say that's the result of the exercise I'm now getting. I suppose is it the endorphins sloshing around the system!.
A friend said to me that we are the generation that is refusing to grow old. Yippee!
Maybe you need some new friends!
Do what you enjoy doing, it's much better to stay fit and healthy than stagnate in front of the tv.
80...I meant 80... :) Of course there is no limit, I intend to be carried out of my wheelchair at 95 in order to put on a base jumping suit. I think realistically death is the biggest stopper to our climbing careers. Climb till you drop lads, have fun!
You're still pretty young. After several days of projecting, I onsighted my first 7b a couple of years back. Half an hour later, a 62 year old woman walked up and onsighted it. According to her husband she could still redpoint 8a.
At 51 I am now climbing as hard (if not harder) than I ever have done in 35 years of climbing.
Enjoy - that's the key in my view.
My gran parents are 86 and 87, they both still enjoy a round of golf, although they prefer a buggy now but still its inspiring!
I hope to lead climb into my 80's (if I make it) and if you are healthy there is no reason why you can't.
Why can't you be active and enjoying sport and the outdoors for many years to come?
Of course you have to accept getting old, which is the question in your subject: that's just a biological fact. But 'age' itself doesn't have any effect on what you *want* to do.
If you enjoy climbing, keep at it. If you don't, pack it in: we won't mind.
If you're looking for inspiration: Riccardo Cassin celebrated the 50th anniversary of the first ascent of the North Face of the Piz Badile by repeating the route, at the age of 78.
One of my old climbing partners is mid fifties and out climbing 8a and above every weekend.
I'm a similar age, but not climbing the same numbers.
I think the only thing you have to accept as you get older is that certain types of clothing, such as that rag you've got stuck on your head in your profile pic, make you look ridiculous.
I was 54 a month ago, I did a half marathon in 1:43 yesterday and will be heading off to the gym in few minutes. I feel ten years younger than I did two years ago.
Have a heart! He might be trying to keep the sun off his bald patch!
> Have a heart! He might be trying to keep the sun off his bald patch!
You're right I was being an arse. Apologies to the OP.
I'm also 53. I wish to enjoy whatever lifespan I have left to the fullest. I make efforts to ensure I can and do. Why not? What is there to be gained by; "why bother pushing myself,just get fat, watch tv take the dog out for its walk and accept that im getting on and be like everyone else."
Surely that is just guaranteeing you will get less out of life?
There is no age limit on curiosity. Go where it takes you. Life enrichment is a noble pursuit.
Give up climbing? Why you are just getting to your prime! Join the Alpine club and be one of the youngsters
if it goes wrong with the boxing it may be the op dribbling mashed potato and ice cream...
> if it goes wrong with the boxing it may be the op dribbling mashed potato and ice cream...
True - but I was assuming 'learning to box' doesn't include professional (ie no headguard) bouts...
+1 to all above. I just turned 51 and climbing harder and better than ever.
Fitness is one thing, but don't forget a chap also needs an electric guitar and an amp with lots of distortion.
Just back from a trip up Glen Etive on a club meet, some members still active in their 70's and they were heading up various snowy Corbetts and Munros coming down in the dark with headtorches, and then still got energy to socialise late into the night.
I too am 53 , and I'm looking to join them doing the same in my 70's, you should too.
I started of hiking in my teens, took up rock climbing in my twenties.
Took up road running in my mid twenties to keep the weight down for climbing.
The road running got me into fell running.
I had my mid-life crisis a bit early and had quite a few years off drinking and smoking fags.
Took up mountain biking in my 40s. Really enjoyable but not keen on the boys with toys attitude.
Took up running again in late 40s when my daughter joined the local running club. At 49 completed the Bob Graham Round. At 50 took to ultra running seriously and frequently beat the youths to finish in the top ten of 30, 40 and 50 mile races. I'm the fittest and lightest that I've ever been.
I take my daughter to the climbing wall occasionally, though I've not climbed for a decade. I'm just getting the first stirrings of, "If I put the training in, maybe, just maybe I could get myself up Cave Route at Gordale." And I reckon I could!
> all my friends think ive got a screw loose and should just get on with accepting that isnt what people of my age do .
> sometimes i think why bother pushing myself,just get fat, watch tv take the dog out for its walk and accept that im getting on and be like everyone else.
> anyone got any thoughts on getting older?
hi i am 65 this month and intend to carry on climbing and walking far as long as poss,accepting you're age does not mean you stop living , i am kinder to my knees these days and no longer run down the hill ,but apart from that!!!! so go for it!!!
I know folks in their fifties and sixties who get paid to lead expeditions, in places from Central America to Africa to the Himalayas. Indeed, I am one of them.
I am aged 52, due to lead an expedition to Costa Rica and Nicaragua this month, lead another expedition in the summer to Ladakh, hope to attempt an unclimbed peak in the Himalayas in 2013 with some friends. And I am not the oldest in the group.
You need to think laterally.
Problem: At the age of 57 my carbon fibre bicycle was slowing down.
Solution: I took some lessons and now I have a new bit of pink plastic from the DVLA allowing me to ride something that would give an F1 car, let alone Cav a run for their money. Simples :-)
The reality is that I cannot run 400 metres hurdles any more but that doesn't stop me deploying my rubbish climbing abilities in a gully or an iced up ridge. Or riding motorbikes around in the third world. Or lots of other nonsense.
Daytime TV? I'd rather go to Dignitas.
Always glad to be any age I am/ was most of the time.
When I'm 64 (now!) I'm still out ski touring, white water paddling & doing 90 mile hilly Sportives on the bike, and best of all enjoying it. So I accept ageing is part of life, but just delight in the stuff I can do.
"It's better to look back and think about the things you have done than think about the things you haven't done"
"Those who believe they can and those who believe they can't are both right"
the combined age of the occupants in the car going up to do the OMM the weekend before last was comfortably over 200. If the eldest decides to crack on a bit, all I can do is watch him go!
So, no intention of accepting it. I need an MRI scan of my knee to see what's not working properly in there, but I should be down at the wall tomorrow night, 3 hours on the bike on Thursday (if it's not tipping down)
I know a guy who is nearly 70 who is really hill fit, if you keep on walking it seems like you can just keep on walking, if you see what I mean.
Obviously you have to accept getting physically older - more time needed for recovery, more care over injury avoidance - but some people just seem to develop an "old" attitude (this can happen from about 30 years onwards it seems); they are the ones always looking for excuses and talking about what they used to be able to do rather than what they plan to do. Personally, I've found that, as I haver got older, there is more I want to do and more urgency to actually do it; at 48 I have every intention of going on getting stronger and ideally fitter so that I can do the stuff I want to do. I have, however, had to come to terms with being less bold/stupid than I used to be.
Are you only 48 Robert? When I climbed with you 20 years back I thought you were 48 then.
You must be living proof of the anti-ageing properties of climbing. Never mind Oil of Olay. Get on the rock.
Maybe it was the beard?
I Enjoyed the poetry earlier in the thread. Clearly stopping climbing for a while brings on ageing.
This is all far more interesting than news of what youths get up to.
So what's the oldest anybody has been when they onsigted their first E6?
I don't know, but I shall be at least 49. Same goes for 8a redpoint and VII - unless I get one in early season!
> Are you only 48 Robert? When I climbed with you 20 years back.....
Remind me - the one thing I have noticed about getting older is that I never have the faintest idea who anyone is any more!
>... I thought you were 48 then.
If you thought I looked 48 when I was only 28, surely that is proof of the premature ageing effect of climbing!
> I don't know, but I shall be at least 49. Same goes for 8a redpoint and VII - unless I get one in early season!
49 is young. There has to be somebody way older than that.
Ha. Aberdeen circa 1990. Steve Helmore, Jon Ashdown, Keith Milne, Alistair Robertson etc. I gave up not long after and headed west.
Good to see you going well.
Are you sure about the 48?
> 49 is young.
> Ha. Aberdeen circa 1990
I noticed that a couple of years ago that the lift pass is free to over 80s at kitzbuhel, I am aiming to take full advantage of such offers when the time comes
Let them get old on their own, I'm also 53 and started climbing 2 years ago and love it, I also do mountain biking and Moto cross and have just started training with the local roller derby team , my family and friends think the same as yours, but it keeps me young !
Just go for it and have fun doing what you wanna do, there's plenty of years down the line to sit back in your armchair and reminisce
At the World Vet Orienteering Champs there are usually two or three 90-year-olds competing.
Me? I'm going to have my mid-life-crisis when I'm 75....
Hi Colina, I am "just 50", always climbed and more recently got into fell running including Bob Graham and Paddy Buckley 24 hr challenges AND like yourself viewed as having a screw loose - we ARE different - sanity is much over rated - go for it!
Also as you get older I think you get relatively better at endurance stuff - so Wendy Dodds (61) recent completion of the Dragon's Back multi day fell run over Wales... another lady (61) in the USA did her first 100 miler in 21 hours something... should be sources of inspiration.
In terms of climbing get on the bolder stuff, I reckon the older you get the less you have to lose...
Some advice from Danton...
"il nous faut de l'audace, et encore de l'audace, et toujours de l'audace"—"We need audacity, and yet more audacity, and always audacity!"
Age is just a number on a piece of paper.
After a few years sabbatical, and heading for the wrong side of 55, I'm back enjoying a second (or possibly third) wind in my climbing, and still managing to crank out around E4 and F7a/b - although admittedly, the recovery process takes longer now.
I've got a couple of projects planned for this winter in the alps, and also the Haute Route, and next year looking forward to a few weeks back in Yosemite, where I would hope to get a few 5.11's done, and maybe even a couple of big wall routes which I never got round to in my youth.
Basically, as long as I'm enjoying myself, and my body (and Mrs Goucho) allows me, I'm going to carry on behaving like a big kid, with a big grin on my face.
Finally learnt the solo in High Ho Silver Lining and bought a new distortion pedal for my Fender.
That being said I wouldn't feel so absolutely knackered if I didn't spend so long in the pub.
Now of my three score year and ten
Sixty will not come again
And take from seventy years three score
That only leaves me ten more!
And since to look at things in bloom
Ten springs is little room
About the woodlands I will go
To see the cherry hung with snow
( Sic With apologies to AE Houseman "A Shropshire Lad")
A friend's father was up Buachaille Etive Mor recently and he's 33 years your senior.
If you can, do. Your attitude will see you living longer and happier.
Yes people of your age shouldnt be climbing, wait until you get into your 60`s and 70`s ,you will climb much better
You mean I have to stay celibate until then ???
> Yes people of your age shouldnt be climbing, wait until you get into your 60`s and 70`s ,you will climb much better
50 something is YOUNG. I started climbing in my 60's and though I'll never be brilliant, and my fingers arent so strong, I love it and wont stop until I just cant do it anymore. I cycle too and plan to do that indefinitely even though Im probably slower on the hills.
ON of the local glossy comics dropped through our door the other day. It had an article by Marcus Brigstock in it. He recounted the tale of how he asked a 70-something year old woman what she would change if she could. She said she'd raise the age of consent to 47 because it would increase her chances!
Great response! :-)
At the risk of sounding stupid in front of all the 50/60 somethings that have replied here so far but I've been really struggling to deal with turning 40 in 2011. Over the past two years I seem to have lost the enthusiasm to get out there and I've not been able to shake the unsettling feeling of lethargy. Its as if someone flicked a switch to a big neon sign in my head that says "its too late".
Anyhow, after reading this thread I've realised that thinking like this is just a load of boll*cks and I need buck my ideas up!
Respect. I quit boxing at 28, I was getting battered by 16 year olds.
Accept getting old, no; respect your current limits, yes.
One friend's father asked for a new rucksack for his 80th birthday and was still scrounging a winter lift to Arrochar when he was 83 -84. Keep on rockin'
If you have an active lifestyle then your fitness will only significantly drop off after you reach seventy. Regular exercise prolongs your life but also increases the healthy years. So keep it up and have fun whilst stacking the odds in your favour.
Mountaineering is very much what a lot of people do throughout their lifetimes, through your age, and beyond. Our clubs oldest active member is in his mid 70s and still going strong.
Yesterday at the wall someone (who I don't know) complimented me on climbing well "for your age". At least, I think that's what he said, but maybe my hearing is going...
Hi, quite right you are.
I do not remember how long ago I was young and a climber.
Then I sat and watched TV.
At 50 I took a week off work and climbed Elbrus (about 18000 ft)in february -12 hours of a bullet hard ice and cold wind.
Then again I sat and watched TV.
At 61 I was fired from work.
So I led 7 grassrooters to 5 summits all 4200-4600 m high within very short period- between 4th and 12th in august,every day 12 hours of climbing.
I do not recollect myself doing such an exploit when young.
May be boots and gear develop faster than I m aging?
It's; "Should you accept you're getting old?"
some great stories and replies here,your thoughts have definatly got me out of my dark corner,boxing twice a week now..bring on the klitchco brothers !
At 66 I just finished a 5 day off road bike ride.
I figured out a rule. If it hurts more than the enjoyment: stop!
> At 66 I just finished a 5 day off road bike ride.
> I figured out a rule. If it hurts more than the enjoyment: stop!
Coast to coast?
My mother (three decades older than you) went for her first climbing session last year and loved it. She also goes to the gym every week.
I'm a bit more of a decade younger than you, and I feel my life is just starting. Far too much time in my 20's and 30's was spent doing boring things like working hard and getting to the point where we are financially comfortable, and not being able to do things because the money wasn't there, now its playtime!
Age 39 and three quarters.
I'm approaching three decades older than you and certainly do not feel old. You don't have to accept getting old, age is just a number.
> I'm approaching three decades older than you and certainly do not feel old. You don't have to accept getting old, age is just a number.
I don't really follow 'not accepting getting old' - how can you 'not accept' a simple fact?
And age is just a number, for sure, the number of years you have been around!
Depends what you mean by "accepting"? As I say age is just a number and of course I accept the fact that I am fast approaching my three score years and ten, but I don't accept that that means I have to change my habits and way of life so as to "conform" with what society "expected" of a 70 year old. A lot of the aging process is in the mind, obviously you have no control over deterioratring health issues, but there is nothing to stop you living life to the full, and maintaining a positive outlook. i've noticed a tendancy for some people of my generation to give up on outdoor activities, not because they have failing health, but merely because they are "getting older". I find that an appallingly negative attitude.
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