/ DMM Switch/ Apex
Does anyone know when the Switches are out? Joe Brown isn't predicting them until early 2013 :-(
What do you mean "modular head"? I've got Vipers and don't really see how the Apex head looks like it does more or less than the BD heard?
Nah, it's the same head as the Switch, 3 choices of adzes and 2 choices of hammers, all independent of the pick. You can match on it as easily as a viper and quark and don't understand why Neil thinks the shaft is stronger on the viper?
I'd like to know if the Apex is more curved than the viper or quark though,(inner geek coming out,) as it did seem a mega curve that would be quite nice on ice.
I had a play with them at the weekend - first impressions were they are heavy. Feel much heavier than a quark.
Defo more curved than vipers.
Prob really good if you like heavy tools.
Are you sure? The user instructions on the DDM web site http://dmmclimbing.com/instructions/ice_axes_aug_2012.pdf seem to show a single-piece head for both the Apex and the Switch, and the options on the product description pages don't seem to list picks separately from adze or hammer. The way I read that is that the standard offering has T-rated picks with the compact adze and hammer, and the alternatives are for B-rated picks with compact adze or hammer, or a T-rated pick with the mountain adze.
On the other hand, it does say Mixed and Ice specific picks available separately. Which is confusing.
I wouldn't bank on that! I've not found prices for picks for the new DMM axes but modular picks for the Viper are typically around £40 whereas single-piece picks including adze/hammer for previous DMM models are around the £25-£30 mark. I'd expect the parts for the new DMM axes to be similarly priced.
Yes - if you mean the new Raptor and the new Fly picks. It says so on the DDM web site: http://dmmclimbing.com/products/raptor/
"Can be fitted with the Fly pick sets for more technical terrain"
> Are you sure?
No, I'm not. Anyone work in a gear shop and can check?
Apex is much more curved (much more similar to nomic) than current quark or viper - greater clearance. This illustrates it quite well http://ministrstvozadezinformiranje.blogspot.co.uk/
Picks are all one piece (include hammer or adze), but cost is pretty similar to just the pick from other brands.
Balance wise - apex comes with removable pick weights to adjust.
Fly and raptor picks are interchangeable.
So I'm thinking Apex is more in the Nomic league than the viper and quark, yet is more mountaineery than the nomic or switch. I'm interested because I have a pair of switches on order to replace my vipers and wonder if I'm making the right choice...
Ok had a play with the Apexes in a shop today.
To confirm, the pick and hammer/adze is single piece and not modular like the Viper.
Compared to Viper they are pretty much the same overall weight but feel really different - whilst the Viper is a lot more top heavy and seems to "turn" more, the Apex has much more weight in the lower shaft/handle, even with the pick weights.
Curve wise, line up the two handles and the Apex pick tip is about an inch lower than on the Viper.
You can tell I've had a productive afternoon :P
Also if you climb alot of ice the DMM pick can't fail to be better than the new Petzl picks which need a bit of work when new.
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