/ Winter trousers
So what do you wear and why please?
Paramo Cascada - windproof, waterproof, warm, quick to dry - what more do you want?
> what more do you want?
Half the price ;)
They look like a good choice.
Alpine Guide Pants by Extreme Outdoor Clothing. In bad weather I add a pair of Brynje windproof longjohns. I carry light overtrousers, but I have never had to put them on.
I was about to start a similar thread myself - I was wondering if there's anything smarter to wear than my usual craghoppers kiwis and overtrousers. I guess the question is whether you want something not too heavy that you can wear with overtrousers if it gets properly miserable or something more-or-less waterproof so you can leave the overtrews at home.
Decathlon Bionnassay Mountaineering Trousers
I like the jeans idea, although you'll make it too easy for the tabloid headlines if you ever get rescued.
I've worn marmot w/proof trs for a while and they've been fine, I think I'll go softshell salopette in the future. All the brands are pretty good now-a-days, fit is going to be the only issue.
Second the Decathlon Simond soft shell pants - zip off internal gaiters, thigh vents, stretch material, all for £39.99. Paid over £150 for the same thing by a gucci brand, and for the life of me I can't see the difference.
They are rather different activities, so I think need different approaches.
Softshell, Mammut Champ Pants, when walking. They have a great fit over the top of my boots and the Schoeller Dryskin sheds snow so well that unless it starts raining heavily or is massively deep powder my hardshell trousers will just stay in the rucsac.
However, after being caught out too often, any time I put a harness on, my hardshell trousers (Arc'teryx Beta AR which need replaced) go on first. That will be on top of normal walking trousers or the Champ pants depending on the weather, the walk-in and how long I expect to spend belaying.
Softshells are great kit, but I still think hardshells are pretty much indispensable when actually climbing. There always seems to be too much wet snow or melting ice around to ever be completely comfortable in softshells and that is before you start having to do things like dig bucket seat belays.
When it comes to buying a new hardshell I'm open to either trousers or salopettes. I can see both being imminently workable and I'll probably end up with what actually fits (not many) and isn't extortionate (even fewer).
I can see some Vapour Rise pants working nicely, but having never tried a pair on myself I don't know quite how dynamic you can be in em... stretchy softshell wouldn't have that problem.
Older Paramo stuff often gets sold second hand cheaply, cos it lasts for donkey's years. I picked up some Aspira salopettes in good nick for £100 not so long ago; I'm sure you can find cheaper and lighter stuff if you're prepared to be patient and watch ebay/ukc classifieds like a hawk!
> I can see some Vapour Rise pants working nicely, but having never tried a pair on myself I don't know quite how dynamic you can be in em... stretchy softshell wouldn't have that problem.
> Older Paramo stuff often gets sold second hand cheaply, cos it lasts for donkey's years. I picked up some Aspira salopettes in good nick for £100 not so long ago; I'm sure you can find cheaper and lighter stuff if you're prepared to be patient and watch ebay/ukc classifieds like a hawk!
The VR Guide pants have stretchy panels on the seat and knees. They are surprisingly unrestrictive and comfortable for climbing and skiing in, as long as it's cold and not too wet. I quite like then in cold, calm, frosty days, though you need to tuck your fleece or midlayer top into the waist if it's a tad windy.
IMHO salopettes and especially Paramo salopettes are the best trousers for wild winter weather. The Paramo Aspiro sally's are very comfortable and extremely durable and saves you carrying spare over-trousers.
Ron Hills and HH thermals. Overtrousers if you need. Cheap and verstile.
Yes works extremely well and better than a lot of the more expensive gear. Unfortunately like the Buffalo gear it's not good for your street or fashion cred whatever that means ;-)
I really cannae see the point of fancy softshell. Thought process on weather turning 'not that bad/ it will pass so the softshell will be fine'.........carry on regardless. 'Oh feck' damp to sodden legs, which is fine if you can stay moving. If the route takes longer, progress slows, or others need help and its all stations stop and then your potentially dangerously damp.......
power-stretch and hard trousers if warmer and more windy/damp/spindrift, and Paramo sallies for cold and gnarly, or variable.
> I really cannae see the point of fancy softshell...
+1 on that.
I use a similar system. If I'm out for a fast moving bimble I what ps bottoms and carry paramo kecks in my pack. If I'm climbing then its paramo aspira trousers all the way. Can chuck Ron hills or powerstretch underneath if it's Baltic.
Outdoor Research Cirque pants! Warm and have crampon patches and a built in gaiter!
Now looking at:
Rab VR Trail Pants
the idea being to use them pretty much as a slightly more wind / water resistant substitute for the standard craghoppers kiwis that I normally wear in winter. And wear thermals underneath or overtrousers over the top if it's too cold.
What's wrong with this idea?
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