/ sport climbing
I agree that it is very different. I have seen good outdoor sport climbers struggle indoors anywhere near their grade. Personally I found outdoor harder when I first made the move from indoor just because of the difference and the exposure.
There are only 2 grades in climbing, the routes you can climb and....
lots of things to consider, and personally id try and find somewhere with a few easy ones to practise on, that way your not let down!
have fun! Start off easy, I loved the movement when I started outdoor sport, but found the bolt spacing a bit scary.
That's a good attitude (as long as you're safe). Fear of falling is what holds most people back, so a bit of confidence will give you the advantage.
Can I ask, what centre did you do all the 7a's at. As I wish to know what centre is that nice to a single climber that they would put up a 7a+ just to see if they can climb it.
Most centres that I have climbed at (9 different centres with roped climbs) tend to have at least a few routes in the mid 7's and normally an 8a or two, depending on if any of the GB squad live near by.
There's a surprising amount of negativity in the responses here. Just get out there and give it a go, see how you adapt to it and enjoy. You definitely want to keep the grades down while you get your head around it; if you can find a crag with F5s to warm up on that would be sensible. Once you've learned the lingo of sport-climbing on real rock there will be plenty of time to start pushing the grades.
Depends what you mean by "worse". Yes, you have to protect yourself, but this can be done very safely with practice, it is not the sketchy dark art than some will suggest. The flip side is that to allow yourself a safe margin you will normally climb on easier routes, certainly initially. This of course may or may not be a positive.
The grades should feel about the same indoors and out. Initially they will feel harder until you master the various subtleties of climbing on rock rather than plastic but if you accept there is a bit of a learning curve, you'll get there.
You might have enough fitness in hand to flash your F6b but if not just go about it systematically ie spend time finding where all the holds are, chalk 'em up, try lots of different ways (even weird ways) to do the moves before deciding what's the best way.
To the OP: Starting out on low grade routes is very good advice, don't go straight on the 6b no matter how much you want it.
Go see how you get on, can't really say any more than that gradewise. If you take a clipstick (and know how to use it) there's no worry about getting out of your depth and losing gear, failures just become potential projects. Make sure you're familiar with lowering off safely and consider helmets, lower grade limestone sport in the uk isn't known for its rock quality!
Does anyone learn to climb outdoors anymore?
>"Does anyone learn to climb outdoors anymore?"
Does it really matter? I was taught climbing by other club members one winter on an old style brick indoor wall climbing the mortar joints and missing brick holes. Seemed a better idea than being instructed by torch light in a cold, dark, damp quarry.
Wasn't singling you or anyone else out, and much of what you touched on is relevant. Just concerned that the overall balance of the posts wasn't very enthusiastic!
Hi there ! This is what I think. Great that you've started so well but it is different outside as others have mentioned. However, what I've found is that my outside grade and my inside grade are very similar, but I've been climbing for 17 years. The question is how fast will it take you to adapt to outside ....The head game, techniques etc all change.
Hope it goes well and enjoy it.
Here's another vote for starting outside at a very modest grade relative to your (indoor) ability. The most effective way of reaching your real limit is by climbing up through the grades, focussing on climbing as well as possible rather than getting up at any cost. This way you will find the climbing enjoyable and satisfying, whereas if you go in over your head you may be demoralised.
The main difference between indoor and outdoor climbing is that real rock is much more intricate with generally a much broader range of sizes of holds and far more of the really small subtle stuff. Climbing walls are not the best training for footwork, whereas on real rock footwork is usually all-important. Amongst the important skills on real rock - that are not at all well learned at climbing walls - are slab-climbing (on really small to non-existent holds) and crack climbing in all its varieties, which is pretty fundamental to climbing longer mountain routes.
Although it sounds as though you want to focus on sport climbing, may I suggest that you do some trad leading as well. You can't always rely on conveniently spaced pieces of fixed gear in the rock.
Can't be arsed to read all the other replies but I say just go for it. Who cares how far you have to drive or if you even get up the route, I guarantee you'll enjoy it.
My first time outdoors I drove for an hour just to climb a tiny chossy VDiff on a rope solo method that would've almost certainly failed if I fell. On the drive home my car broke down. I was still absolutely chuffed to bits!
aye jamie - ur da man
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