/ The barbaric cost of your winter coat
Is there any QC measures out there that manufacuters can sign up to to say that they've taken their down from trust worthy animal "friendly" environments/processes?
Just found this on Fjallraven's website
Nothing immediately obvious on ME's website.
Isn't mentioned on Rab's website in the section.. http://rab.uk.com/technology/down-insulation.html
Nothing on Haglof's.
Norrona do mention it - http://www.norrona.com/About/Corporate%20responsibility
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not a animal lover, but I don't like to hear of these awful conditions that animals endure for human greed.
Apologies to those companies that I have mentioned that do not have anything on their websites that I didn't find, it's not to be taken that they do not use by-product down.
Found this article from the start of the year. It appears there are other issues further back in the supply chain than that of where the down is removed from the bird.
Force feeding the Geese with an oily grain to fatten the liver to produce pâté de foie gras from their oversized livers.
The North Face and Patagonia have admitted to using birds that may have had this done to them, they weren't sure due to not checking that far up the supply chain.
Would you boycott a brand for knowingly using birds that have been force-fed + stripped?
I probably would.
My down kit is PHD who say their down is ethically sourced http://www.phdesigns.co.uk/ethics.php,
apart from a Patagonis Down hoodie. Patagonia changed their supplier due to concerns over force feeding geese for foie gras and not live plucking
It is because of the ethics of these companies that I buy their kit.
It's the same as the meat industry, you wont get any guarentees, just lots of "we support local farmers", "we strive to improve animal conditions", "we have only the highest standards of welfare" etc. etc. But they're businesses at the end of the day and people will buy the cheaper items most of the time, irrespective of welfare. Next time you're in tesco look at the bananas, despite the recent publicity of working conditions on banana plants look at the proportion of fair trade to normal ones. At the tesco 24 here there's rows of normal banans and usually about 3-6 bunches of fair trade ones. Not that fair trade is perfect but it's usually the more ethical choice. At least 50% of consumers couldn't care less, the majority of the rest either pretend not to notice or are happy enough with the platitudes. The companies will supply what is wanted, no one wants to spend an extra £20 on a down jacket just so a company can say "we guarantee our geese have good lives" instead of "we support animal welfare."
im upset at the conditions of the baby primas that were mistreated for my belay jacket.
> Isn't mentioned on Rab's website in the section.. http://rab.uk.com/technology/down-insulation.html
> Apologies to those companies that I have mentioned that do not have anything on their websites that I didn't find, it's not to be taken that they do not use by-product down.
Rab have refuted the Mail article
As you say, silence on their website should not be taken to mean they don't source ethical down. So for now I will give "silent" companies the benefit of the doubt, but clearly this "silence" needs to be changed quickly by all companies concerned on the basis that if they don't make ethical sourcing statements they will be boycotted in the future and to have bite this should include a boycott of their whole range of products.
> Nothing immediately obvious on ME's website.
Mountain Equipment has throughout its 50 year history committed a great deal of time and effort into ensuring we consistently obtain the very best qualities of down for use in our sleeping bags and clothing. However in recent years we have become all too-aware that there are also ethical, environmental and animal welfare issues relating to the sourcing of our down.
We know we cannot change everything overnight but are working hard with our suppliers to understand everything there is to know about our supply chain so we can take steps to improve it where possible.
The DOWN CODEX Project was launched in 2009, comprising a range of rules and commitments that we expected our down supply chain to adhere to and achieve. The aim, to have the most comprehensive and transparent auditing mechanism for our down supply chain of any outdoor manufacturer in the world.
But on another note, if you are concerned over the farming welfare of animals, then that person should also be concerned over carbon footprint which is much higher on a Prima jkt (oil)
Maybe wool would be better? !-)
Interesting reading ; http://www.crux.uk.com/en/sleeping-bags.php?info=36
I still feel bad but not as bad as maybe I could or should be feeling 80( .
You bird hurting bunch of b*stardos ! you know who you ( we ) are . . .
The was another plucking thread on this a couple of weeks ago, it happens every Christmas, it's getting worse than Only Fools and Horses repeats now.
Those poor buffalo.
A major part of conservation in NZ is killing things. Shooting wildlife, running it over, trapping, poisoning and killing on an industrial scale. Cats, weasels, stoats, possums, pigs, deer, rats, mice - insert "only good x is a dead x" comment to taste. Only by wholesale slaughter do we make a dent in the alien species and stop the native birds from being wiped out.
If TNF started trimming their hoods with hunted NZ possum fur we'd be cock-a-hoop*. I'm uncertain as to the sustainability of supply for better furs, but the UK countryside would do well to have less mink/sable running around for starters. A sensible debate to have, I think.
* I never thought I could use the words "fur", "hoop" and "c*ck" in the same sentence and get away with it....
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