/ Savile s old cottage Glen Coe. Pull it down?
There's been a lot of nonsense talked about this, this is the most sensible contribution that I've read: http://crankitupgear.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/jimmy-savilles-cottage-glencoe.html
This aside we have a building smack bang in the middle of the glen with resin pressed roof tiles ? White upvc windows, upvc patio windows not to mention a very poor extension.
Funny how even in the cities you can't even put a velux window in but you get this in the middle of glen Coe. Not matter it is an eye sore whatever its history.
I think this is really about you getting told you couldn't put a Velux window in.
This says it better than I can: http://crankitupgear.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/jimmy-savilles-cottage-glencoe.html?showComment=13579016...
I remember seeing this before and found it really interesting but it didn't change the fact the cottage looks like something you find in the central belt of Scotland rather than glen Coe.
Something positive could come of this if the property was used to encourage young people into the hills. Scottish UCPA I say.
I got 5 but in conservation areas of the city you have to put in the traditional skylights. But white upvc I windows isn't really in keeping is it.
You wonder why planning at least didn't insist on the local slate rather than the roof tiles you buy from B&Q.
Really! That's a bit like converting concentration camps after the war into cooker factory's .
Yes, I'd like young people to have the opportunity to experience Glen Coe in a setting full of the history of Scottish Mountaineering. Not a direct version of UCPA but you know what I mean.
Agreed. It's not proved that anything untoward actually happened there so the concentration camp analogy doesn't really stand up. What of it anyway, it's only a building after all, but one that it would be unlikely to ever be replaced once gone, even if the need should arise.
Aye, there is ample accommodation for Geoffries now through club huts and hostels etc. Time for something a bit different. I'd be happy with the original proposal also.
Yes, and while we're at it we should pull down Stoke Mandeville and all the other hospitals and the BBC for good measure. FFS people, get a grip.
This is the field I work in and find it very surprising this could be found to be acceptable where its situated.
Where else in the glen do you see a build to this spec. I have seen new builds in Glasgow with a more rural spec than that.
Best it gets at least a major overhaul. ( An use the local slate)
Calm yer self were talking about an ugly building in Glen Coe. Just needs a DIY makeover or scrapping. The beast n a track suit only has put it into the lime light.
( but a public toilet would be handy if the sewage system it has could cope, which is doubtful.
So actually its nowt to do with JS, you just don't like the building?
> Really! That's a bit like converting concentration camps after the war into cooker factory's .
No. That's a bit like insisting on demolishing almost every grand building in Europe in 1945 on the grounds that the Nazis had briefly commandeered them.
It couldn't possibly be used for anything other than a home. Extremely limited parking, its on a bad bend therefore stationry traffic without a doubt leading to accidents. Na stick with the original idea pull it down and restore the glen to its original.
Better still turn it into a public loo? Good place for a final dump before heading up into the hills....
Na refer to the above.
There's an excellent opportunity to restore this area to its original natural landscape aside anyone who stayed there in the past good or bad.
I wonder just how many folks climbers or walkers were even aware of its past before JS and all the press. If your honest I bet there's very few.
The building has no architectural significance in fact very much the opposite, badly positioned, its history might be romantic to climbers and walkers but that's it. That's the single argument to keep it.
Nope not seen a plausible argument yet other than restoration of the countryside to its original.
Would have thought the road was more of an eyesore than Hamish's old house, would you remove that as well?
You may be talking about knocking down an ugly building, but most of the chatter about this has been about "erasing the association of the beast with the glen" or some other such nonsense.
Anyway, its no more or less ugly than any of the other buildings in the area. Personally I don't care what they do with it, just the Daily Mailish manufactured hysteria that I find bizarre.
Therefore blasting out the rock hillside in order to provide parking. Yes very sensitive to the glen. NEXT!
Do you not think the road has slightly a tad more of a argument to stay than a romantic idea of times past that few till recently knew anything about.
It's the opportunity to make good. It's no ones home so wouldn't it be good to restore at least this little corner
It has nasty tiles
It has nasty windows
Needs a revamp
Used to owned by a baddy.
Who's the irrational one?
Nope. Try reading things properly before.
It's a discussion forum not a planning comitee. If you consider restoring the countryside as irrational behaviour I trust you live in the city.
> Anyway, its no more or less ugly than any of the other buildings in the area. Personally I don't care what they do with it, just the Daily Mailish manufactured hysteria that I find bizarre.
Let the locals decide what to become of it!
Great idea. While we're at it, let's pull down the Tower of London, Edinburgh Castle, Arthur's Seat, and Holyrood Palace. From what I hear, some pretty rum stuff has happened in all of those places.
Now your being silly and not reading things properly before ranting with your fingers. Lol!
Me, ranting with my fingers? Oh you ironist.
Does it really belong there? When the radio was in there before mob phones it did help me and many others in the past. No one apart from lazy b######s really need it now.
As previously said on links and posts JS is but a short history in the life of the place and hopefully the local people will get to decide what happens to it but that's doubtful. A bunkhouse for school trips allowing kids to explore the area would be a good idea.
How can the local people decide in reality unless they buy it (then demolish) or work through the council (which would involve public money for compensation to the owners).
How would you propose to resolve the parking?
Mr Perry I won't bother answering as he appears to of joined the discussion without bothering reading all the previous posts.
It must belong to someone, I imagine he left a will, so it will be up to the new owner to decide. If he or she doesn't have a use for it then the best would be to put it up for sale, someone will buy it... just one iffy owner after several positive ones shouldn't prevent this; anyway people are so fickle that in a year or so it will all have been forgotten except for those directly concerned.
It's been there quite a while, isn't any more out of place than many a traditional house and as for any dark memories it might bring back there are already far darker ones to be had in Glen Coe if you worry about such things.
I know what went on there for years, Hamish Macinnes made ice axes there - I've got one... knocking the house down would turn my axe into an orphan :-(
It's just a discussion as to what folks think should happen to it. I don't think anyone here is under the illusion that we are deciding its fate on UKclimbing.
At least not everyone.
Studio/ gallery with a mountain rescue/ ice axe museum in the outbuildings perhaps? Sounds like a great idea to me!
Why not turn it into a Sir Jimmy Saville Museum?
Coat already got....
Germans still sing their national anthem because Hitler was a small part of the history of germany. Savile was a small part of the cottage's history.
What locals? It's 6 miles from the village
Why not turn it into a Sir Jimmy Saville Museum?
You could have the McInnes museum in the front and then take them around the back for a taste of Savile's contribution.
If it were used as a bunkhouse/hut then there's more than enough space for parking (it's a small building so couldn't fit large numbers in. But in any case, it's 600m from a massive layby/carpark and a wide track leads from it to meet the road just 150m from the building. There's even a pavement at the bridge just west of it.
And though the building is on a bad bend, the access track leaves the road on a fairly straight section further east.
> What locals? It's 6 miles from the village
See if you can work it out. Google is your friend.
Agreed. I am against the bunkhouse unless it's aimed at young people. There are already lots of them. However, the origonal idea has merit.
A couple of farms a mile or two away? The Clachaig? The Kings House?
Nobody local enough to be affected by whatever decision is made. Unless the outbuildings are owned by someone else?
I fine with them pulling down this cottage - but let's makes damn sure that before they do, they pull down BBC Broadcasting House, BBC Television Centre, Leeds General Infirmary, Stoke Mandeville Hospital, Broadmoor Hospital, the old Tyne Tees Studios in Newcastle and if they are still standing the Plaza Ballroom on Oxford Street in Manchester (and his old house in Higher Broughton), the Mecca Locarno ballroom in Leeds and the Mecca-owned Palais dance hall in Leeds.
F*ck it; let's also ban the marathon.
Isn't that what's been suggested? I'm struggling to see a downside.
> It must belong to someone, I imagine he left a will, so it will be up to the new owner to decide. If he or she doesn't have a use for it then the best would be to put it up for sale, someone will buy it...
It belongs (belonged) to Savile's Leeds-based charitable trust, who, before his fall from grace, had announced plans to convert it into a 'respite centre for the disabled'.
These plans, needless to say, have been somewhat abandoned, if for no other reason than The Jimmy Savile Charitable Trust has now abolished itself, due to terminal embarrassment. I've no idea where this leaves ownership of the property in legal terms - in legal limbo I'd imagine. Perhaps one of our learned friends on here could enlighten us? (PS. I'm quite happy to have it if no-one else wants it)
National trust for Scotland?
It was pointed out last year on this site that JS's assets have been frozen until his victims have been compensated.
No, Lochaber, Glen Coe, Ballachullish. The cultural space of the area.
I live in York but wouldn't call the people of Malton 'locals'.
I'm not sure why I'm arguing about this ;-)
Because it's the way of UKC posters, particularly males from the south, to think that a few climbing trips means they are experts in any issue related to the upland areas of Scotland. Don't worry about it, you are just following the rest ;-)
Local councilor Andrew Baxter stated that demolishing was an end option and had been expressed by local residents.
Google it and you will find it.
I agree with most folks on here that the locals should decide but I don't know if they would agree with their answer.
Another consideration is who vandalised it. I don't think anyone travels a distance to their vandalising site. I reckon its highly likely they were local as well
> Local councilor Andrew Baxter stated that demolishing was an end option and had been expressed by local residents.
Might! Sounds like someone else doing a lot of presuming.
You don't think.
I've seen no evidence that Mr Baxter is speaking for the community (my community) on this matter.
I was referring to "the Scotsman" and not the BBC article I see you got that from. BBC dear, dear!
> Because it's the way of UKC posters, particularly males from the south, to think that a few climbing trips means they are experts in any issue related to the upland areas of Scotland. Don't worry about it, you are just following the rest ;-)
Wow.. that chip is getting freaking huge!
Would be a pity to have a residence lost up there.. I doubt a new spot could be found due to planning regs so may as well use it..
Some sort of bunkhouse would be good.. just no mention of JS..
I don't see why it should be knocked down at all.. the sooner he's forgotton about the better, but its a great location, so it should be used.
Likewise. On which note I've been here since long before Jimmy Savile bought Allt-na-reigh and have a photo of it (as foreground to Gearr Aonach and Aonach Dubh) on my living room wall... think I should take it down? ;-)
Local Aye right bet your an incomer probably English to boot.
> I agree with most folks on here that the locals should decide but I don't know if they would agree with their answer.
> Another consideration is who vandalised it. I don't think anyone travels a distance to their vandalising site. I reckon its highly likely they were local as well
I wouldn't say that.. look at the grafiti in the slate quarries in North Wales?
That could be anyone.. it's right beside the A82.. the major trunk road for anyone traveling to the NW..
Lived in Kinlochleven for the last 10 years. Not sure if that makes me a local or not but I grew up in the Highlands and am definitely not English!
Where are you from?
It pretty obvious you're not from the Glencoe area.
Nice one Cyril! I'll remind you of this next time you say you are not anti-English.
That wasn't a good comment. Apologies.
> I've seen no evidence that Mr Baxter is speaking for the community (my community) on this matter.
That was exactly my point Jamie.
I emailed Andrew Baxter weeks ago when he first suggested demolition. AS a Highlander whose ancestors were cleared from Knoydart I feel more than enough properties have been demolished over the centuries not to mention those that seem to lie empty for the major part of each year . He didn't reply
So no comment at present but an empty one on UKCLIMBING. Lol.
The truth is I don't know anyone here who wants it pulled down. None of the locals want that.
Leave it alone.
> Wow.. that chip is getting freaking huge!
Nah it's the opposite actually. It takes time and and effort to get to know a place. A few climbing trips dont give much of a picture. Unfortunately some genuinely believe that they can make an informed judgement about many issues from a distance and based upon a few, short experiences in the hills. When this is challenged, they react like you have.
Mind you I could be wrong so I have decided to intervene in the care home situation in Bourg St Maurice based on my visit to Les Arcs last week.
I'm not Bruce. I am just anti-pish. Pish is commone to all mankind and you are no exception.
Nope. It was always going to be one sided obviously not much point in that.
Personally I would re roof it with Scottish slate ( Was Hamish responsible for the cheap urban roof tile?), nice trad timber sash windows white upvc doesn't belong in the middle of glen Coe. Get rid of the upvc patio doors.
I think that would look good.
I dont have any issues with the windows. White UPVC is common all over the place, Highlands and elsewhere and I dont think many want additional planning regs. I see your point though but think it not that important.
Maybe we should write to the MCofS with suggestions.
I am not born and bred in Lochaber if that is what you mean but I have 15+ years of working in community development in the Highlands, in particular Lochaber and understand that what is on the internet is often far from reality.
So I represent no-one but I do understand that what is posted on UKC is often nonsense but presented as fact as the poster doesn't know what they don't know, to paraphrase my namesake...
There is a two page article in the Sunday Herald today about the house.
The house is private, it is not a public building. Contributors to this thread (me included) have no more say in the matter than they do over what I should do with my own house.
No it's not. It's a website for climbers, who being people as well as climbers have opinions on things not to do with climbing.
Whit are yo on aboot?
> I think that would look good.
If you're going that far, then there's also proportionality of the windows, roof pitch, etc etc to address...............
And while you're at it, can we restore Bendy bendy?
I just like to see a nice place in keeping with the glen. You on the other hand appear to be straight out a chapter of " zen an the art of motorcycle maintenance"
BTW : Too deep for a make over. Lol!
With regards to your post about there being enough clearance of the highlands : Are you for real? Do you live in a cave on the west coast of Jura? Give it a rest we have a different set up in the highlands now. I think we call it 2013 real life!
I am real- I have a house in Wester Ross - complete with slates. I speak Gaelic and drink uisge beatha
Slainte mhath, mo ghraidh!
Looks very nice. I'd keep it. I've seen worse
Sounds good. The actual walls look OK from the photo
Glencoe actually has quite an interesting history of self-builds, with Jacksonville, the Squirrels Drey and the Rannoch Doss.
Not forgetting the Bendy-bendy which has already been mentioned.
> I fine with them pulling down this cottage - but let's makes damn sure that before they do, they pull down BBC Broadcasting House, BBC Television Centre, Leeds General Infirmary, Stoke Mandeville Hospital, Broadmoor Hospital, the old Tyne Tees Studios in Newcastle and if they are still standing the Plaza Ballroom on Oxford Street in Manchester (and his old house in Higher Broughton), the Mecca Locarno ballroom in Leeds and the Mecca-owned Palais dance hall in Leeds.
> F*ck it; let's also ban the marathon.
> I just like to see a nice place in keeping with the glen.
Much as it would look slightly more aesthetically pleasing with Ballachulish slate and sash windows, I don't think it's worth getting your knickers in a twist about it. Especially when you consider there's a road and numerous laybys right through the middle of it.
> Nope. Try reading things properly before.
> It's a discussion forum not a planning comitee. If you consider restoring the countryside as irrational behaviour I trust you live in the city.
lol! i live in the country. do yu want to pull my house down too to restore the country side? get a grip!
Or number 10 , because ( enter your own hate figure)
> Isn't that what's been suggested? I'm struggling to see a downside.
Having it full of young folk is what Savile would have approved of......
Maybe a reason NOT to do that,
I will stick with my public toilet suggestion, and everyone can piss on his memory.
> There is a two page article in the Sunday Herald today about the house.
But is it accurate? I take what I read ok UKC with a pinch of salt, but newspapers I would need a cellar.
If you think it is worth reading, I will take your recommendation, and look it up.
I was thinking after renovations to make it more in keeping it could be a small inn/pub.
Possibly name it something like " Hamish n Jimmys" that would keep its history also possibly some artefacts around the walls.?
> It's no ones home s
It was my home, many years ago. Shame to see it destroyed.
It's already got a name - Allt na Reighe - so doesn't need a new one. The history is way longer than a climbing one.
> But is it accurate? I take what I read ok UKC with a pinch of salt, but newspapers I would need a cellar.
> If you think it is worth reading, I will take your recommendation, and look it up.
My recommendation is to dig another, larger, cellar for your UKC salt store and add that to your newspaper one.
What the house? At a guess, £150,000-250,000 leaving aside its current association. Best to ask a solicitor in Lochaber that question.
Erm... wouldn't this have passed to someone else's ownership in his will?
Presubabl they will decide what to do with it. Or is it for sale and I missed it?
No it shouldn't be pulled down. The tw*ts that vandalised it should be ashamed of themselves.
I guess the fruitcakes here just arn't listening as you are about the fourth person to rightly point this out.
As has been stated twice previously no one believes the fate of the place is being decided on UKCLIMBING its just a discussion of what folks thought. At least maybe there are a couple of fruitcakes on here that actually do think so. Nutters!
What's this got to do with 'the hills'? It's a house in a glen.
After 1 or 2 weeks in the Highlands every year since about 1986, 250+ Munros (about 150 twice), most of the Tops, a few dozen Corbetts, how much longer before I can have an informed opinion?
That's your perspective. I see mostly gossips poking into stuff thats none of their business.
It's none of anybody's business apart from the owners. Doesn't stop anyone else having an opinion though (as long as they've lived in the Highlands for at least 3 generations).
Not aware of any great local enthusiasm to raze it to the ground despite what may have been reported in the media. That is of course leaving aside the small technicality that it is private property. Turning it into some sort of outdoor centre for young people is a nice idea. However, good luck with finding a public/3rd sector organisation with funds to convert, maintain and operate it. A cafe, gallery, museum or visitor centre of some sort might be interesting though not necessarily financially viable, planning consent for change of use could be tricky though, for road safety reasons. If there is a mountaineering club out there looking for a hut, regardless of whether their members are called Geoffrey, to be honest that may be one of the most realistic options as they could probably live with most of the issues. This is leaving aside the Saville connection, which in a few years time will probably be largely forgotten in the history of the glen.
As for the vandal(s), chances are they are not local and will just forget about it and jump on the next tabloid outrage bandwagon whenever that crops up.
Wouldn't a cafe or gallery break the conditions upon which Unna gave Glencoe to the National Trust? I'd be quite happy to see it remain as private dwelling or a hut or hostel but I don't think I'd like to see it turned into a commercial property of that sort.
This is leaving aside the Saville connection, which in a few years time will probably be largely forgotten in the history of the glen.
The cottage in its current build is a replacement for the trad slate roofed case and sash windowed previous version that burnt down when Hamish lived there. It was because of the damage and time to rebuild that he moved to Achnacon. Hamish is a true gent and I expect he isn't bothered that much if it stays or goes (although you would have to ask him). The point is that JS is feckall in the buildings history and is no part of the equation. It fair makes my pish boil when folk on here make comments that its miles from any community. Like most community councilors this geezer Baxter (kinlochleven community council NOT Glencoe) is possibly a settler with the time to comment and out of touch. While some community councilors are very genuine locals doing their best for those without a voice, many of the inbound variety from outside are just interfering gits. Same story everywhere I expect.
it is right on a busy road, not sure how noisy it would be in there, and how annoying head lights would be at night or in the winter, I personally don't fancy it if I have to close the curtains all the time, so it is not without issues, but nice enough if it was unmodernised .
Highland Councillor and sub-postmaster, Davy! Granted that he's a comparatively recent incomer, but he's also a decent guy who cares about the community and I've always found helpful...
So not IMHO an 'interfering git', but that's not to say he's always right (on which note I believe as strongly as you that he's miscalled this one and will tell him so). But let's not see this thread turned into a witch hunt against Andrew Baxter when most folk on here don't know him from Adam and we're probably just looking at knee-jerk reactions (from him and parties unknown*) to the vandalism because that's just not fair!
*If Andrew says local folk have suggested it, then (knowing Andrew) I have to believe that. In which case it becomes all the more important for other local folk to tell him they don't agree.
Is this true? Was Hamish responsible for the buildings dire sympathetic to its environment build quality.
OMG! I didn't notice before plastic gutters n drain pipes!
Where will it end!
Whilst the locals should have the loudest say.. it's one of the most iconic valleys in the whole of the UK.. from which the local community greatly benefit... outsiders have a perfect right to make comment..
From Andrew Baxter (quoted by permission)...
My position has always been that demolition might be a final option if no other use is found for the building and it remains a focus for mindless vandalism. Admittedly, my comments on television didn't demonstrate that last week. Since then, I have plenty of contact from the mountaineering community and also initial discussion with David Gibson from MCofS about the building's future. Last Friday, I took part in a radio phone in on BBC Scotland with Cameron McNeish. We agreed that we would meet up to discuss how we proceed with trying to find a use for the building - such as a club hut. We are likely to meet next week.
If you would be interested in getting involved with assisting in such a project, along with anyone else you would recommend, I would appreciate the help.
Of course, the building still forms part of the Jimmy Savile estate so they still determine its future at the moment. I am keen to get them to transfer it to community ownership.
> What's this got to do with 'the hills'? It's a house in a glen.
> After 1 or 2 weeks in the Highlands every year since about 1986, 250+ Munros (about 150 twice), most of the Tops, a few dozen Corbetts, how much longer before I can have an informed opinion?
When you live there.
Folks going on about this being a club house or bunkhouse does make me wonder. Given mr J. Saviles life style he probably was w#####g off like a monkey in there or worse. Sod sleeping in there!
Even if it were for sale, I couldn't afford it.
> When you live there.
So why are you posting here then? I agree with the vast bulk of your posts on these forums but you often display a 'you're not from round these parts' attitude which does your arguments no favours. Am I right in thinking you live in Inverness? It may be in the Highlands but some may regard you as a mere townie.
Are these local hills, for local people then?
Except for the road. And the pub. And the boundries.
Like 99.9% of the homes in the uk then.
Surely the best argument to keep it is it's a valuable piece of Savile's estate and there's no good reason to do anything but sell it and move on.
While some community councilors are very genuine locals doing their best for those without a voice, many of the inbound variety from outside are just interfering gits. Same story everywhere I expect.
Presumably he was elected by locals.So if he's doing a job which needs doing, and a number of locals have elected him to do it, is this a bad thing that makes him an intefering git? Or somebody trying to take an active part in their community?
Oooh, let your guard down a little bit there. People have their suspicions but you would do well to cover the cracks in your veneer to keep the true colours hidden. That was sloppy
JK theres little brought to the table from you that hasn't been posted to death already.
I agree sell it. Maybe not the climbing community as they probably wouldn't do much with it but private sale would I imagine.
I merely say that to know a place you need to live there. This is particularly true of the Highlands.
This may run contrary to UKC thinking which appears to be that a few climbing trips means one is well informed about an area, whether Chamonix or Cannich. The reality is that to know any place you need to approach it with an open mind and take time.
> The cottage in its current build is a replacement for the trad slate roofed case and sash windowed previous version that burnt down when Hamish lived there. It was because of the damage and time to rebuild that he moved to Achnacon. Hamish is a true gent and I expect he isn't bothered that much if it stays or goes (although you would have to ask him).
To go off at at a tangent, how's Hamish getting on these days I guess he must be in his 80's now?
> Is this true? Was Hamish responsible for the buildings dire sympathetic to its environment build quality.
Just so people know, after the house was burnt down, Hamish negotiated a deal with the National Trust in which he was loaned the big house down the Glen in exchange for loaning the Trust the house (this was to avoid it being sold - I believe Savile had already offered to buy it all those thousands of years ago). The Trust then renovated and extended the original cottage (and demolished a few things Hamish had constructed, (including a sun-lounge for his (ex) wife). The Trust then used the cottage to house their workers at the old visitor centre. Over time this use was abandoned and the house was put on the market by Hamish, who was again made an offer by Savile (I believe) but instead sold to a couple of doctors living in Glasgow (one of whom was a very active mountaineer at the time). Years later they too chose to sell and finally Savile was able to buy. He drastically changed the interior and the window fixtures, giving the house its present rather excessively modern appearance. He also cut down all the trees planted and protected from sheep in part by Hamish (sitka spruce) and part by myself (Scots pine and rowan) so that (according to popular interpretation) the passing tourist coaches had a clear view into the cottage for JS to wave to his "fans" as they passed.
Nobody has mentioned that the cottage already had a history perhaps even more sinister than the home of a child molester. It was very likely involved in the infamous massacre of Glencoe and the despicable "murder under trust" by the Campbells. My mother used to swear she work up in the night with somebody standing over her in the bed and holding her down. We told her she was just bonkers, but other people, independently, suffered exactly the same experience ...
So what was it that drew Savile to this place?
Why did nobody ever want to live there for very long?
(Time for a letter to Hollywood? "House of the Evil Glen")
I still have the key to the "original" cottage door, the one that got burnt down.
I broke down in the old wreck of a car I once had while taking the old road through the trees at the bottom of Glen Coe one evening. After doing the Basil Fawlty routine of shouting at it for a while in the hope of re-starting it, I then gave up and decided to go to the nearest house to ask to use a phone to phone Chisholms Garage at Ballachulish (I didn't have a mobile with me).
First house I knocked at an old bearded guy came to the door. He kindly said that I didn't need to use his phone, he'd give me a tow to the garage. As he came out and got busy with the ropes and his car I realised who he was.
He then proceeded to give me the fastest and most hair-raising rope tow I've ever had. Much proabably like seconding him on one of his routes. I thanked him kindly and offered him petrol money, but of course he refused and drove off into the evening. I then told the mechanics at the garage about the high-speed tow and who had been the driver. "Aye, that's Hamish" was the nonchlant reply.
Thanks for those posts, both entertaining in their own ways.
I would imagine that since it is a valuable asset in Js estate then it is unlikely to be given to anyone or handed over for anything less than market value. The impending civil claims should put paid to that idea.
I'm not sure that "the community" will have much say in its future
How many years did you live in Westminster then? Quite a few I imagine the way you lecture us about the place :-)
I'm not really clear why people think they shoud.
> I broke down in the old wreck of a car I once had while taking the old road through the trees at the bottom of Glen Coe one evening. After doing the Basil Fawlty routine of shouting at it for a while in the hope of re-starting it, I then gave up and decided to go to the nearest house to ask to use a phone to phone Chisholms Garage at Ballachulish
> First house I knocked at an old bearded guy came to the door. He kindly said that I didn't need to use his phone, he'd give me a tow to the garage. As he came out and got busy with the ropes and his car I realised who he was.
> At primary school I won a prize for just stopping opposite the Christmas tree during a spot waltz. Ever since I have (tongue in cheek) claimed to be a 'prize winning dancer' despite that I have two left feet, but I never elaborate, and infer I don't like to boast.
If what happened to you, had happened to me, I would forever have claimed to have 'done a Route' with the great man. ( The fact that it was just a car a route to a garage matters not a jot)
Chisholm's Route would be a good name.
It is very small inside and with the water supply being from the burn and electricity from the generator (even after installing the auto-start) its not an ideal premises. Road noise was an issue. Pulling it down though would be stupid.
What happened there?
It's all been a bit of a contradicting journey of " oh it's no different to the rest of the houses there" to " what neighbours it's an isolated cottage in the middle of the glen" and similar p##h of that nature.
Removing the road? Yeh right where? the A 9 to Fort William. This would make a lot of sense compared to an ugly cottage. ( JS is an excuse to remove it not a reason)
All the same the resident ghost already present apparently holds people down in their beds! Yeh sounds like a good accomplice to some other departed person. Good luck with that as a bunkhouse.
Btw : I think the road has been very sympathetic to the environment compared to the cottage of plastic. I take it the glen must be a Conservation area with planning now so probably wouldn't be allowed as a new build now. Def needs a refurb if its going to stay.
Someone making allegations about someone else, post disapperared pretty sharpish.
Did this happen here or somewhere else that only you think is real?
Nw my mother has dementia and this has some creepy similarities. You ok? Jimmy savile isn't that important.
Say hello to them from me next time you see them - they will remember me as the daft colonial Scot who lived there two families before them. I also slept there once or twice after they had taken over, and we (Edinburgh climbing gang) used to go down from the Drey to warm up. (Some among us may have had other motives.)
You might mention I am now in an even better placed location for climbing, in the Italian Dolomites, if they are ever over this way I could return the favour.
> My mother used to swear she work up in the night with somebody standing over her in the bed and holding her down. We told her she was just bonkers, but other people, independently, suffered exactly the same experience ...
That has sleep paralysis written all over it.
It's a pretty horrible thing to experience, and easy to attribute to malevolent forces if you don't know what it is.
Just a thought but wouldn't it's removal allow the road to be straightened out and possibly better parking for the start of AE ridge. If tastefully done like they did with the bridge replacement ( using natural stone etc) it would work.
Obvious answer is yes but a better solution would be a tunnel. Oh wait, there's no money for that...
That's what I told my old Mum. However, a girlfriend of mine (who I had definitely never told anything of my mother's experience) visiting woke up in the night screaming with the same sensation, so that does make one wonder a bit. There were other strange "details" too.
Ok give in. Lets hear the rest. Sounds like a Ben Alder job . Maybe better?
Any truth in the rumours that two guys clearing snow round there go by the names of Gary Gritter and Jimmy shovel?
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