/ 3 peaks challenge
Its great fun. You'll love it im sure.
They'll be plenty of advise given on this forum. Take it all in and then do your planning from there.
Do the Yorkshire first, it will give you a good taste of that type of walk.
I've done the Yorkshire but not the national, couldnt be arsed with the driving.
You'll need a dedicated driver. We made sure at least one of us had done each of the peaks beforehand so we knew where we were going (Scafell Pike in the dark could easily lead to getting lost).
Regarding fitness/training, I think anyone who isn't completely unfit can do this, it will just be more challenging if you're not used to walking these kinds of trails.
I don't dissagree with doing it as part of a large group raising money for charity at all.
You have a point about the organisations not `giving back` but on the one i did the guys came down with sackfulls of rubbish left by 'non 3 peakers'
The OP gives no indication of his/the teams level of experience so it may be safer for them to attempt it within a large group.
OP. Like i said. Take it all in and then make some decisions.
how the devil did they know which rubbish came from which group?
They weren't interested in where it came from. They just picked up whatever was seen.
Y3P I've found harder than National but depends what time of the year you do them.
Both are a good crack, but as mentioned above if you can give something back to locals. We've always added a percentage of our funds to MR
I did the national one years and years ago
Training is important for sure but at your age you should be as fit as a butchers dog anyway so it'll mainly be the driving challenge. We hired a mini-bus and a mates G/F drove. I highly recommend you do the same....a driver means you can all rest up, eat, and apply compeed if required.
It's great fun, a real challenge and you'll love it. Give no mind to the folks on here who are 'dead against' such things. The mouuntains are for everyone...and they're free.
The BMC have a view on all of this , probably worth checking it out.
All the best
Only half of the article is showing up on my computer but that's probably a good thing.
Is a footpath able to acertain whether a boot is on a '3 peakers foot' or a common or garden hikers foot? Does the path erode MORE under such a boot?
Erosion is a fact of life...I too (like the Peter in our story) spent weeks and weeks (with the BTCV in Lakes, many years ago) repairing footpaths worn away by booted feet (and water running off too...shall we all get upset with water???) and to my mind its small price to pay for public access to our awesome countryside.
Afraid that, in my opinion, arguments against 3 peaks etc do nothing but create the impression that the BMC (of which I am a member) is a blinkered, elitist boys club.
Free to Roam, free to raom....thank god almighty I am free to roam.
regarding logistics: how much will the travel cost? Both in cash, time and carbon? This might tip the balance in favour of the Yorkshire 3 Peaks.
I'm not against a small group doing it independently (and neither is the BMC). I just can't see the point of it. Or anything where you spend more time in a car than on the hill!
It doesn't begin to compare with the Welsh 3000ers.
The key is having a dedicated driver, if you're driving and walking it can be a killer for the driver.
> The key is having a dedicated driver, if you're driving and walking it can be a killer for the driver.
An overtired driver is going to kill more than himself.
Even the BMC article manages to refer to 'the three highest peaks in Britain', instead of the (rather arbitrary) 1st, 57th and 176th highest.
Welsh 3000's is a much better 24 hour challenge.
Another voice against the 3 Peaks (national) plan - you'd have to recruit a driver, or one of your lot will have to basically sit in the car and wait for you, which won't be much fun.
You would have a much better time on the Welsh 3000s or the Yorkshire 3 Peaks, and surely that is one of the most important things, even setting aside the fact that the national 3 peaks involves trudging up a fine mountain in the dark, and potentially annoying the hell out of the poor sods who live in Wasdale.
My advice would be get on the train to Horton, set out early next morning, get back in plenty of time for a top notch tea in the cafe, and get bonus points by having a pint in the Crown. If I were your age, this would be a brilliant weekend.
I would urge any friend who was considering the so-called "3 peaks challenge" to do something else, and I won't sponsor people for this ill-conceived venture.
Of course nothing is zero-impact. Still, there are better ways and worse ways for humans to interact with the hills. The so-called 3 peaks challenge is one of the very worst. It's a media-driven circus: the press and the big charities tell you this is what you do, and everyone just does it, like sheep. It's everything real hillwalking is not.
Don't take it from me though; google around and see what, e.g. Wasdale MRT have to say about it.
PS A proper 3 peaks challenge is either in Yorkshire, or involves getting between Yr Wyddfa, Scafell Pike, and Ben Nevis with no motorised assistance.
Well that's brilliant then. Picking up that litter sure allows them to be tearing along roads, waking local people up, putting uneccesary pressure on rescue organisations (ask them their view) making virtually no contribution to local economies and gifting the environment with all that unneccesary driving. I'd say anyone trying to do the national one in 24 hours should be strongly discouraged. My vote would be Yorkshire and if you breeze it there are bigger one day walking trips in Wales, the Lakes and Scotland.
> Well that's brilliant then. Picking up that litter sure allows them to be tearing along roads,
waking local people up,
Only early walking was scafell, and i distinctly remember being told to use the correct path and make no noise,
putting uneccesary pressure on rescue organisations (ask them their view)
Didnt need to call on the recues services thanfully.
making virtually no contribution to local economies
Accomodation was used in B N and food was provided by a local supplier in N Wales
and gifting the environment with all that unneccesary driving.
30 or so people in one coach has less impact than 30 single occupancy vehicles
Dont tar them all with the same brush please.
Scafell is the main problem though (night traffic and noisy arrivals at the start) and most likely to lose out on local spend. The explain to me what exactly you got out of climbing these three that you wouldn't have got climbing the same three more slowly or another three closer together.
As for rescue team members opinions, these vary. Lots of lake district mountain rescue team members work on the 3 peaks and some have companies which run the challenge.
I do think there is a problem with self guided groups having an impact on rescue teams. I have had to help lots of people and groups out on the hill (mainly scafell pike) who are lost when I have been out leading groups
There is a problem with litter, again I think this is mostly from self guided groups. I would never let anyone leave litter and we always clear up, within reason, litter we come across .
There is a problem with erosion caused by, again, mostly self guided groups trying to take short cuts and not sticking to the paths. However just looking out of my window I can see scarring and erosion on skiddaw, grisedale pike and catbells which is worse than on scafell.
And the 3 peaks does provide an income for local people. I can think of at least 30 local people I know who work on the challenge.
I don't think the three peaks is without issues and I can see why some people have the opinions they do.
How the damage/litter caused by three peakers can be separated from the general prosession up Scafell Pike is also I mystery to me. On the summit in august I'm not sure how you could tell how many of the 200 people up there are on 3P. As you point out many other places suffer from erosion at least as bad as Scafell Pike. With the night time noise and rescues of the misplaced its rather easier to work out the cause.
As a matter of interest as someone who earns part of his living from 3P what do you do to minimise the impact, do you vary your routes for instance? (genuine question, not a dig!)
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