/ Crampon Accordions
Is thatís folks general experience with them?
Mine definiately drop snow better with the 'accordions' on.
I don't use them as I can't compress the crampons as easily with them on and I don't find them that useful. Apparently if not correctly fitted they can cause the clip on Grivel crampons to open unexpectedly too.
I've never used the accordions on mine, purely because it means they don't pack down quite as small and the bag I put them in can't fit them with accordions on. Balling up isn't an issue for me usually. I suppose different snow types may ball on the accordion (or not) differently.
Cheers all :)
Took mine off at the advice of a BMG and then separately without prompting a MIC said the same to me. Can't tell the difference. I love my G12s tho. Decent weight, good to climb in and fine for walking also.
Any reasons given for taking them off?
The accordion wasn't causing the problem, in fact you help solve the problem by fitting the accordians properly.
I have taken the accordians off all my crampons for ease of folding up and I have notice no difference in balling
What a novel idea. I've never thought of taking an accordion with me winter climbing before.
I have one crampon with accordion and one without; doesn't make much difference but without easier to compress for crampon bag...
Took mine off, mostly for compression, but would be interested to know whether balling up reg bars is a commonly experienced problem? Not one I can ever remember really having - felt a bit like a solution to a problem that didn't really exist to me. Maybe just been lucky to avoid it though
Despite owning over 12 pairs of Grivel Crampons that are used by clients, I never saw the crampons fall apart or lose their adjustment. However after the introduction of the accordion I saw new crampons fall apart. This happened two or three times just after they were introduced. I also noticed some clients on winter courses seemed to keep getting their crampons out of adjustment. While watching them pack and unpack the crampons I realised why this was now happening.
As I never ever fitted the accordions I initially couldn't understand why this was now happening. However when you fit the accordions wrongly you can see how this can open the adjustment clip, in certain situations.
I think the video shows quite clearly how this can now happen.
Having said all that, I still think the Grivel Newmatic binding and antibot system (without the accordion) is the safest and easiest to use in most situations.
Just had two days north of the border. Balling wasn't a problem on G12s with or without the accordians, so mine will be staying off (for ease of packing). A guy on borrowed C3s discovered the benefit of anti-balling plates within his first morning on snow: Puting his newly aquired self-arrest skills into practice on a 40į slope prompted him to break out the Duck tape.
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