/ QMD - Mountain Leader Award
It lists suitable areas.
In terms of experience, the quality of a mountain day lies in such things as the conditions
experienced both overhead and underfoot, the exploration of new areas, the terrain covered and
the physical and mental challenge. Such days make a positive contribution towards a person's
development and maturity as an all round mountaineer.
Usually some or all of the following criteria would be fulfilled:
• the individual takes part in the planning and leadership.
• navigation skills are required away from marked paths.
• experience must be in terrain and weather comparable to that found in UK and Irish hills.
• knowledge is increased and skills practised.
• attention is paid to safety.
• the journey is five hours or more.
• adverse conditions may be encountered.
• ascent of a substantial peak would normally be included in the day.
When i did my ML i had a couple of days in the Peak but they don't really count. My ML provider recommended to get above 700m ideally to count as a substantial enough peak.
The peak counts.. nav wise its one of the hardest places to be out in, but an ML candidate would be expected to have a wealth of experience on steep mountainous terrain in Snowdonia, the Lakes, Scotland etc..
But I'd certainly add days on Kinder or Bleaklow.. just maybe not Mam Tor.. Higger Tor..
Generally above 600m/2000ft..
I just listed everything.. let them decide what is QMD or not, it all adds to your experience base.
Leading a group across kinder in the low cloud would test leadership skills more than many days out in Snowdonia or the Lakes.
Thanks to the two of you. Very helpful indeed.
As said, my provider also says the peak doesn't really count. Though I'd imagine they'd use their discretion to a certain extent - for example to squeeze you in on an assessment if they were down on numbers and the rest of your logbook looked good.
As I was told though - note it all down, it adds "depth" to your logbook.
Summer or Winter ML?
But I think winter can be anything, just more likely to be winter in Scotland..
Surprised any one says the peak doesn't really count. I've done a fair few night runs around the derwent watershed and the nav tests you far far more than 99% of days out in Snowdonia.. probably 100%..
From the ML handbook:
For the purpose of the Mountain Leader scheme ‘mountainous country’ may be defined as wild country which may contain unavoidable steep and rocky ground where walkers are dependent upon themselves for immediate help. In the United Kingdom and Ireland this can be found in areas such as:
Highlands and Islands of Scotland
Mountains of Mourne
Mountains of North and Mid Wales
North Yorkshire Moors
Peak District and Northern Moors
Peak District is definitely in there, but it depends upon terrain, so a stoll along Stanage Edge wouldn't count.
The Peak District does count, think Kinder and the like. Now if you had a logbook that was all based around the Peak District, I would have an issue with that.
You want a range of different experiences.
Some providers do part of their ML assessments in the Peak District, before doing the 3 day expedition somewhere like Snowdonia or the Lake District.
Yes it does count I did half of my assessment in the Peak and half in Snowdonia. I thought the peak was a lot harder to navigate around.
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