/ Are hot drinks necessary?
Last time I used a stove on a hill was in 1996, as we planned a bivouac near the Albert Premier, - being a Peak 1 petrol stove, the time and effort to getting it to work spoilt the trip.
Since then I've done several Alpine seasons, Yosemite trips, Scotland Winter trips, Cuillin Ridge bivouacs, Mount Kenya trips, as well as hundreds of long days climbing and walking in The Peak, -and in none of them did I take a stove or even a flask on the climbs or walks. Seems to me that a hot drink is not worth the extra weight of stoves, fuel, pots, even a flask. And I never really craved a hot drink.
Anyone else of this view?
I agree in that I never drink hot drinks on the hill. However, if having a big day out in less accessible areas, it's nice to know there's the option of heating water in case of accident or emergency. We often pop in a jetboil with a sachet or two of cup a soup or hot chocolate.
I think the morale boost of a cup of hot ribena whilst sat in a bothy bag, cold, tired and still a fair way to go until the car whilst the weather outside seems have gone all a bit mental is worth it's weight in stainless steel/glass.
I think if i was living in a tent/bivvying for multiple days, i'd be mighty glad of a warm drink inside me.
But this is my point. For me, they don't make me feel any warmer.
And if they did, how long for?
If I'm moving, I'm warm. I'd rather use that weight for extra clothes.
I would carry an extra couple of Kg for a coffee in the morning...
If I'm not carrying too much anyway, then a couple of kilos for water, stove and fuel are well worth it for the ritual of having a nice cup of tea at the top (or a breather half way up
if not having a cup of tea, then what do you do at the top?
> if not having a cup of tea, then what do you do at the top?
A Wee Nippy Sweetie? :P
I'm not a fan of hot drinks during activity either, they're much better reserved for sitting on a nice comfy couch IMO.
I don't really like stopping for any longer than the time it takes for me to get my breath back and maybe for the lactate levels in my legs to allow me to feel sensations other than burning, I'd much rather drink cool/tepid drinks little and often on the move than stop for a brew up.
As others have said, not nessesary but so welcome when stopping for lunch or when the route is climbed and its relax time but still a few hours to walk out. It really gives a boost. Hot choc and cup-a-soup good too.
Jet Boil makes it much less hassle.
Not sure how much of a difference it makes to my survival, but I sure feel less cold.
I can't remember the last time I took a hot drink with me on a non-winter day walk.
In the winter it is a different story, especially as the water in a water bottle might freeze. Then, a wee flask can make the difference between drinking and not drinking. And there may be times in winter when I NEED a drink.
For overnight trips, it is no contest. The stove goes in the bag. Especially if the weather is cold.
We can determine what temperature change a drink can give us.
Let's assume a 70kg body, at 36.8C.
Let's assume we drink 250ml at 70C
The resulting average temperature will be:
(70*36.8 + 0.25*70) / (70+0.25) = 36.92C
A change of +0.12C
Now let's do the same with cold (0C) water:
70*36.8/70.25 = 36.67C
A change of -0.13C
So the two drinks will give a body temperature difference of 0.25C
I'm not too sure how significant this is, but, given how carefully the body tries to regulate its temperature (within a pretty narrow range), I think it might be noticeable.
I started this analysis thinking that the difference would be negligible, but, having done it, I think there may indeed be a noticeable difference, so it's not just psychological.
I've also assumed that the entire body is warmed, but, in reality, it will only be the core, and it will take some time for that warmth to spread from the throat and stomach to the rest of the body. Thus, you will notice the warmth in your stomach and abdomen quite quickly.
And then there's almost sane's good point about not wanting the drink to freeze...
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