/ Scarpa Mont Blanc and Jorasses boots Pu inserts to soft ?
I bought a pair of Scarpa Jorasses recently which have a quite soft Pu insert in the heel, when you put weight on them the heel absorbs the shock but the soles heel also goes into a rounded shape.
Round shaped heels appeared some years back and were sold as having less of an impact and damage to the environment however they were also prone to sliding when descending grass the heels did not bite they just slid so they were not popular.
So I was a bit concerned that the Jorasses heels would lack bite when descending, recently while descending some crusty snow I was managing to get heel penetration until one of the heels just slid off at a fast pace, my poles stopped me falling but my back has been bothering me since, now I lack confidence in these boots while descending, anyone else taken a slide in these while descending grass or snow, maybe I should adopt a goose step in descent :-)
If it's any boost I find my boots to work well in the snow the only minor point I would make is that kicking steps in diagonal ascent up neve is a pain in the arse due to the flat toe profile bounding off on the first kick.
This is from the MCofS site below by Roger Wild, the point I am making is these PU inserts do not make a relatively stiff soled and safe boot in decsent.
Boots need to be relatively stiffsoled with sufficient rigidity to create secure footsteps by using the side edges or toes. They donít need to be heavy or fully stiffened mountaineering boots but if you can bend the sole easily in your hands then itís too soft and bendy to create secure footsteps. Rounded heels are no good because you canít create a firm step when descending. Donít be fooled into thinking that stiff soled boots are only needed on steep slopes. Many slips and falls occur on relatively easy angled slopes on popular hillwalking routes.
do you mean the heels are deforming when you put weight on the heel of the boot ?.
i have never seen mine deform even with my 14stone and a full pack of winter climbing gear maybe the boot is faulty somehow.
Yes, the point I am making in this gear comment is a good mountain boot would have sufficient stiffness in the sole edges and heel to provide stability and bite as Roger Wild Mountain Safety advisor of MCofS says rounded heels are not good, on that day I was decsending between patches of snow at the snow line having not worn crampons all day.
Maybe others can learn or be aware due to this thread.
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