/ NEWS: Mountain Rescue Charity Box Thief Caught on CCTV
UKC EDIT: Now on the news page (with Video): http://www.ukclimbing.com/news/item.php?id=67873
Stupid man , would imagine he is pretty desperate but worthy of a good hard slap I'd say , imagine the shame he must feel or I hope he feels ? No sympathy though thats stooping pretty low . I'd rather go with out than stealing myself .
Can see this being solved fairly quickly with that & other footage .
I agree that would be a fitting justice/punishment I think , better still make him do it in his birthday suit the toerag .
Utter shitebag. I'm generally not one to jump on the vigilante bandwagon, but I've made an exception,and posted this on Facebook. Hopefully it will get shared around.
I hope he is caught.
I'd like to think that poetic justice might involve him needing team assistance and him being treated by the team member whose enthusiasm for canulating more than makes up for his/her lack of ability and terrible eyesight, Packaged by the Crepitus Crunch Crew with super tight strapping and provided with analgesia by the team homeopath, evacuated by the Jolt squad over rocky ground pausing only to insert more Diazepam.
There's something particularly scummy about nicking charity boxes. Hope he gets named and shamed.
for christs sake . how low can you stoop to steal charity boxes be it mrt or otherwise.loved to have caught him doing this.
Any boxes around here that are on the bar have a thin chain around them, those that don't are kept behind the bar or right next to the till.
Before the flaming starts, I am obviously not justifying what he has done in any way and if I'd been in the pub and seen him I'd have taken appropriate action. But the reality is charity boxes are chained up for a reason.
Surely he has to be caught based on that footage though.
Lets not be too hard on him, it may turn out he didn't get enough cuddles when he was a baby or didn't have enough toys to play with....
in the footage the camera follows him? Does that mean somebody somewhere was monitoring him as he did it? Am I being thick?
What's very strange is you'd never guess from his appearance. He seems quite smartly dressed for the sort of scag head i'd assume would be stealing charity boxes.
Older than I expected too!
In the light of recent threads, may I express my deepest sympathy for this poor unfortunate soul - god only knows what hardships he's had to deal with in his upbringing. I think we should organise a collection on his behalf in order to ease the trauma he's undoubtably feeling due to having to drag a heavy collecting box across the urban blight of the Lake District - bank notes, cheques and Postal Orders only please.
yes im sure they would, but if recognised i would like to think that once of the mountain he might (if able to ) be frogmarched into the nearest police station.
Very honourable suggestion sir, well done. On behalf of John and myself can I appeal to this lost soul to post his name and addess here on UKC so that we can nip round with the proceeds of said collection?
> Lets not be too hard on him, it may turn out he didn't get enough cuddles when he was a baby
Or too many...? know wha' I mean?
Cut his testicles off!!!
> In the light of recent threads, may I express my deepest sympathy for this poor unfortunate soul - god only knows what hardships he's had to deal with in his upbringing. I think we should organise a collection on his behalf in order to ease the trauma he's undoubtably feeling due to having to drag a heavy collecting box across the urban blight of the Lake District - bank notes, cheques and Postal Orders only please.
I have a £50 note waiting for this poor unfortunate guy right here - as soon as you find his contact details please let me know.
The police of course have the complete CCTV footage (a/c to the MRT Facebook and the YouTube of the incident) - I can't believe he won't be caught.
I have purely optimistic confidence he will be found :-)
Proper sneak thief. Nice jacket technique. What a complete Kunt.
That does smack a bit of 'blaming the victim for the crime', to be honest.
I think your jumping to the conclusion that anyone gives a flying f*ck which part of the demographic he hails from. If you can afford to motor up to the Lakes and sup in one the boozers you don't need the proceeds of an MRT box to supplement your not so meager crust.
Anyone else feel uneasy about this?
Not that the person will get caught and should face punishment. Quite rightly.
But that an employee of a company recorded the business' CCTV footage (from a public place) on their phone then put it online.
Shouldn't the police have done that?
Isn't there some protocol to follow here?
Have any privacy laws been breached here?
Anyone with any expertise in this field here?
Would you leave your phone and wallet unattended on a bar when you went to the toilet? If not I suggest it's not unbeliveable that this happened...
Maybe Off Duty can comment on how much Police effort will be spent tracking down this master criminal.
Wild Wild West approach seems far better.
> Anyone else feel uneasy about this?
> Not that the person will get caught and should face punishment. Quite rightly.
> But that an employee of a company recorded the business' CCTV footage (from a public place) on their phone then put it online.
> Shouldn't the police have done that?
> Isn't there some protocol to follow here?
> Have any privacy laws been breached here?
> Anyone with any expertise in this field here?
Information Commissioners Office CCTV Code of Practice -
Disclosure of images from the CCTV system must also be controlled and consistent with the purpose for which the system was established. For example, if the system is established to help prevent and detect crime it will be appropriate to disclose images to law enforcement agencies where a crime needs to be investigated, but it would not be appropriate to disclose images of identifiable individuals to the media for entertainment purposes or place them on the internet. Images can be released to the media for identification purposes; this should not generally be done by anyone other than a law enforcement agency.
That's a code of practice, and uses terms like 'should not generally', which suggests it's pretty meaningless.
Forgot to mention, there have been numerous instances where the police have declined to take action, but people sticking things on you tube have changed their minds. A couple of recent assaults on cyclists captured on helmet cams.spring to mind.
> Would you leave your phone and wallet unattended on a bar when you went to the toilet? If not I suggest it's not unbeliveable that this happened...
If I leave my phone and wallet on a table and it gets stolen - I'm not to blame for it being stolen. The thief is to blame for it being stolen.
Should we extend the logic that all rape victims are to blame for having vaginas, or that the root cause of paedophilia is sexy kids?
Obviously, that's a fairly ridiculous and extreme example but shifting the blame anywhere nearer the victim and away from the perp is astonishing.
Stop making excuses for thieving scum.
Why are CCTV photos always so shit? You'd think by now it would have been possible to get cameras that actually produced a recognisable image.
Taking mobile phone footage of a tv screen and posting it on you tube does tend to reduce the quality to some extent..
Very sad. I volunteer at a Citizens Advice Bureau and we have collection tins to help fund our service in the interview rooms... Obviously you don't have to donate, the last thing we want would be to make it worse for those coming in with financial problems! But now we have been told that if we see anyone donating we should remove the box afterwards, because one or two of our clients have been stealing the boxes when the adviser leaves the room to look up information. I am not sure if these people see the irony in stealing from a service while it is in the process of helping them.
"Before the flaming starts, I am obviously not justifying what he has done in any way and if I'd been in the pub and seen him I'd have taken appropriate action."
There is reason I lock my car and don't leave the keys in it, don't leave my bicycle outside the supermarket, or don't leave my phone and wallet on a pub table unattended. It's nothing to do with blaming the victim. It is to do with living in the real world, where people do commit crimes, especially opportunist crimes such as this one and those I have given examples of.
I have not made excuses for him or any other thieving scum. I have made an observation about how things are done differently here, and that may have prevented it happening.
Pretty sure they'll catch him from the footage and lets hope he gets a punishment that he deserves.
Please don't call me stupid. I really don't appreciate it and it's not a very constructive way of discussing an issue. Fair enough?
I said clearly it was a ridiculous and extreme example I was using.
I appreciate you're not making excuses for him, but using the fact that the box wasn't nailed to the floor as a mitigating factor sends out the wrong message entirely. He stole money.
At least we can agree on that...
Stealing from charity is something of a taboo, not many people steal charity boxes, therefore there isn't a great need to excessively secure them
I fully understand the anger and revulsion at this theft especially from a forum such as this but would urge people to wait until the perp is caught and the full story is available. My judgement on this is slightly clouded by the fact that a very good friend spent time in prison for a not dissimilar offence. On the face of it it all looked cut and dried but dig a bit deeper and my mate was having to cope with a huge amount of personal stress alone and his actions were a cry for help. I don't want to come across as an apologist but let's here the full story before we linch him.
>...Stop making excuses for thieving scum.
Doesn't read that way to me but hey, I made my position clear enough.
No further discussion to be had from me.
Unfortuantely it goes on more than you'd think, hence why boxes are chained up. Maybe because other instances aren't so widely reported/youtube'd it doesn't seem like it, but knowing charity box collectors and publicans I'm afraid I know that it does happen. Not as often now that the boxes are chained up or behind the bar, but some places have boxes removed because they keep going missing.
Now for my second disclaimer of the thread:
This does not mean I think it acceptable or the fact that it happens more often makes it anymore right or that I some how blame the victim/charity/publican/supporter/stress/economy/other mitigating factors.
A police spokesperson has announced that a suspect has been remanded in custody under suspicion of theft. The accused, known locally as Finch Patterson, is a Brigade Leader of the Badger Liberation Front. In a statement, Patteron's lawyer claimed that his client "had been sett up".
> >...Stop making excuses for thieving scum.
> Doesn't read that way to me but hey, I made my position clear enough.
> No further discussion to be had from me.
What, except for the next bit you posted?
South Lakes Wild Animal Park were reporting the theft of a collection box from their Sumatran Tiger enclosure over the weekend. I'm sure I've read about another charity box theft in the area in the last week too.
> South Lakes Wild Animal Park were reporting the theft of a collection box from their Sumatran Tiger enclosure over the weekend.
Now that takes balls...those tigers can really shift themselves when they put their mind to it.
The NSPCC bottle full of 5p's was chained to the bar in my local.........30 years ago. Not a new phenomenon.
It's common; as is robbing the copper (is it copper?) off war memorials. Depressing, but there we are.
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