/ New Boots required
Need to be B3, what are the current best options?
(and why do they all seem to be around the £300-350 price range, gulp)
If not, :) what was it you liked and disliked about the Vegas? After them I climbed for the best part of a decade in Nepal Extremes and still think they are superb - super hard wearing and pretty warm. If you want REALLY warm but still lighter and trimmer that Vegas have a look at modern double boots. I have Sportiva Baruntse, pretty light and climb as hard as I possible need them too, but still super warm.
Although as you say, you may need to sell off one of your wee lads to buy a pair!
Hi Toby, where did you get the Baruntse from? Not sure they're available in the UK.
I'm wearing them in my profile pic, which was about the hardest ice route I've done this winter. So my rather limited abilities are definitely not held back by the boots even if they are considerably heftier than my Trangos, but they are just snuggly when it's -15 or colder, something that my trangos aren't!
Go Outdoors (yes, I know....) seem to have Nepal Extremes in at 30% off - so £225. Which doesn't seem a bad offer.
There is some other model sportiva does called Nepal Treks that might be more B2-ish, but I've never seen them for sale in the UK.
Anyway, as next winter I will have alot more time to climb my question is will my relatively new grivel G14 crampons fit the nepals okay? They fit my scarpas flawlessly.
> Anyway, as next winter I will have alot more time to climb my question is will my relatively new grivel G14 crampons fit the nepals okay? They fit my scarpas flawlessly.
I had to get rid of my Scarpa Cumbres, after 3 seasons of blisters.
Serves me right for buying them 'cos they were cheap!!!
I don't know but I suspect they will, I've never had any problems getting crampons on my Nepals, and I think I've used them with 4 different types at least.
Having bought a pair just after Christmas, I can confirm that the Nepals that Go Outdoors are selling are bog standard B3s just like you'd get anywhere else. It's a wonderfully cosy, solid boot, if a bit on the weighty side compared with some of the newer alternatives. That said the synthetic leather on lightweight B3s isn't nearly so tolerant of crampon-related pratfalls as the proper cow skin the Nepals are made of.
I find La Sportivas in general to have smaller volume heels than Scarpa, which suits me better - I've never had a problem with heel rub since the day I got them, despite having used them for some fairly lengthy days out. If they fit your feet, they're excellent value at £225.
Thanks for that. What do you mean 'thermoformed the inners'?
I bought some Nepal Extremes last week and have been mighty impressed.
Straight out the box at the weekend- 2 hour walk in, 3 hours ice climbing, 2 hour walk out - not so much as a niggle, supremely comfortable and really warm.
Worth mentioning that Tiso currently have them for £250, which means you will get them for the same price as Go Outdoors if you have a Tiso card. Much better customer service in my experience.
You can click on the separate picture of the inner boot here: http://www.sportiva.com/products/footwear/mountain/baruntse
They sound great, pity they're so difficult to get hold of!
Nepal Extremes are a great boot, they were THE boot in Europe a few years ago. I've used them for 5 years in Scotland and the Alps in Summer, never had a blister or any discomfort and nothing has has broken, though the sole is now pretty worn down. At £225 they are great value. I can also confirm they work well with G14s.
BUT they need to be the right fit for you - as other posts have said I have generally found people split into either Sportiva (narrower) or Scarpa (wider)fit e.g. I just don't get on with Scarpas and I have the receipts and blisters to prove it :-)
The only downside of the Extremes IMO is that they are pretty heavy and don't have the benefits of a double boot if you do multi day stuff.
If you are a Scarpa man you may be able to get Omega plastic double boots at a steal, shops seem to be selling them off - super light for a plastic boot with a thermo-formable intuition liner, like in ski boots.
Alternatively, the Scarpa Phantom Guide or Sportiva Batura / Batura2 look the muts and are superlight if you have money to burn and longevity is not so much of an issue.
I also really liked the look of Baruntses when I did my research, but as others have said they are not available in this country and I wasn't prepared to take the risk of overseas mail-order.
That's my two penneth.
just bought La Sportiva Trango Extreme Evo Light to replace sportiva nepals, they are brilliant, light and climb really well, slippers.
I have not tried cold (hrs on belay type cold) yet so not fully tested
bought at Lakes Climber, £190 also available Nepals £200 - closing down sale
Yep, Sportiva started marketing the Baruntses very oddly. They said for people "working in cold places" or something. Struck me as very weird because they totally rigid, so kind of crappy for just general winter wear compared to something like Sorels, or sorel knockoffs. I think Dane's Cold Thistle blog has probably kick started some interest in the Baruntses - I suspect that's where I first read about them. My local shop in Helsinki started stocking them this winter - I know that will be of no use to you guys but it shows that some specialists shops in Europe are selling that model - the guy there told me he had sold the first pair very quickly to someone of going to Aconcagua, but I suspect other people here will buy them like I did just because they're tired of getting cold feet in the Scandinavian winter when ice climbing but don't want to go back to bulky plastics. I've heard lots of stories of people breaking bits on the Spantiks particularly the lacing, so I like the simplicity of the Baruntses. I always climbed in Scotland in plastic boots, as everyone did back then, and I really don't recall ever having cold feet as a result. I would imagine there might be enough people who get cold feet in light boots in Scotland these days that it might be worth at least one UK shop offer the Baruntses for people who want a lightish modern style boot, but that has the warmth of a double boot and hopefully the longevity of more traditions boots the Nepal Extremes.
You could be right, but unless I'm mistaken Sportiva don't import the Baruntses to the UK
Can't see past the Phantom guides for balancing comfort, stiffness and heel support. Best winter boots I've owned.
Sportiva's UK agents are Lyon aren't they? It might be that Lyon don't see a market for them here but I'm sure they could ask for some to be brought to the UK if they wanted.
They also seem to restrict a lot of US online stores from shipping their stuff abroad for some reason? Very odd.
My feet were the coldest they've ever been on sunday, and that was only in Scotland. It was a cold day with a lot of standing around but the Nepals really let me down.
> My local shop in Helsinki started stocking them this winter
Think they would send a pair to Scotland for a small fee?
Much easier to buy from elsewhere in the EU, no taxes or customs costs.
> Can't see past the Phantom guides for balancing comfort, stiffness and heel support. Best winter boots I've owned.
Maybe - the product page is http://camu.fi/pages/kiipeily/vuorikiipeily/jaakiipeilykengat/baruntsesilver3748.html but perhaps just drop them an email at firstname.lastname@example.org The website is all in Finnish which makes it hard to navigate with out knowing any Finnish, but all the guys who work there speak great English so email might be easiest. The boots aren't on sale though sadly.
There's another Finnish webshop that does them too: http://www.varuste.net/en/tuotetiedot2.php?_id=38094&nimi=La+Sportiva+Baruntse but I'm not sure if they really have them in stock or will just order them - because bizarrely they say 3-180 days for delivery!?
You might have more luck with one of the big French, German or Spanish online shops. Barrabes and Globetrotter might be worth a look.
Downside is they are hard to get hold of here. You can pick up black german army surplus ones for about £50 but the inners tend to be from older materials, however if you like them after that you can get them on ebay in the US for silly low prices and have them sent over. I just got a lovely red pair for $185 new, with VAT and delivery it was just under £200 total. Try to get the latest model, this has a higher inner boot with a red top cuff. Also the goretex inner might sound pointless but it works very well at stopping condensation getting back inside, you can wipe it all off with a sock at the end of each day.
I don't know how helpful this is but it's all I know about so I thought I'd post! I'm probably a bit old school, just getting back into climbing after a bit of a break, but I do know Lowa still make this model. If you normally take a 10 boot the size 277 is just right. As a guide to the narrow foot thing, if you find that adidas trainers fit you better than other, it means you have narrowish feet and might find other brands better than scarpas for you.
Thanks for all your help Toby. I've decided to take the plunge and ordered a pair from Sport-praxenthaler (or something) - fingers crossed! They had some money off but nothing like the deal you got.
I actually paid at a local shop to have it done by a guy who is their ski boot fitter, but he was actually very mellow about it and said if I didn't think they were fitting well I should just do it again in my home over following the instructions. He reckons doing it multiple times is no issue. You need to cut up some old socks though to make toe caps if you do it at home. But mine do fit comfortably now (although I've only ice climbed in them so far, not big mountain days with lots of hiking), so maybe it was worth the 25 EUR to have it done by someone who knows their stuff.
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