I think there's a lot of people have lost what climbing is about. I think that climbing has become so accessible that lots of people are throwing them self's to routes, regardless if they had to Que or not so that they can become hero's in their lunch time.
Where has the spirit of climbing gone? Having the adventure in the wilderness? I have to Que at supermarket, the petrol station, everywhere! Am I going to head into the mountains and do it there? Hell no! That's not what climbing is about! There's hundred of routes on The Ben, and everyone is Queuing for the classic's? Sort it out.....
No, I refuse to queue for routes. There aren't many words with four vowels in a row, but queue is one of them.
I've never queued for a route but I've also climbed some crap routes so I can't blame folks wanting to maximise their limited time by doing routes that are generally acknowledged as being good.
Once you've got other stuff to spend your time on I'm sure you'll just pick out the classics as well.
Not as shameful as the time you got caught having a wank under the barbers cover Stevie.
Unless you are really busy with other stuff I would take a moment to proofread your posts as your last two have both been nonsensical in part.
Also I agree that it is a safety problem and last week I avoided routes due to soloists lining up to become dominoes in gullies.
The point that I made about making the most of climbing time by choosing good routes to climb still stands.
Que? If you're so adventurous why were you amongst the masses on the Ben and not somewhere more remote and wild.
Not queing doesn't necessarily equal adventure.
yes but Hadrian's is both a good route and a 'classic' so it sounds like he got the best of both worlds!
Not sure what I'm laughing at more.......
- The irony that you have Point 5 as your favourite climb in you profile
- Telling Milesy that he must queue
- your spelling of queue
So glad I'm not young anymore.
You are Karl pilkington
You don't have dyslexia. You just can't spell.
Each to their own. Some prefer to stick with their objective come what may and, if it's a honeypot route, resign themselves to sharing it. Others have less popular objectives or plans A, B and C. We settled for plan C the other week and had a grand day out, although given the nature of plan C we really should have started earlier.
If they are queueing then other routes are free :o)
Maybe you should visit a few less predictable places at quieter times if you don't like to see queues.
Quewed 2 hours a few years ago for point five, but in reality queued for 20 years as conditions, amount of parties on route not quite right every time. ( why should I quoo for a climb when I'm young , a wild child and free to do want I want to do). My bowels were moved as I clambered over the top onto the sunkist plateau and embraced my long suffering partner and cried openly as long lost memories, ghosts and emotions flooded through. Could only smile as the young tiger party who were up our arses made comment about how easy it was and shouldn't be a grade 5 and in there i hear the voice of someone that was me many years ago........ Where has the spirit of climbing gone? Having the adventure in the wilderness? I have to Que at supermarket, the petrol station, everywhere! Am I going to head into the mountains and do it there? Hell no! That's not what climbing is about! There's hundred of routes on The Ben, and everyone is Queuing for the classic's? Sort it out..... yes indeed , sort it out.
everyone is Queuing for the classic's? Sort it out.....
"Sort it out"? What did you have in mind, a vigorous police presence "moving people on" if they're detected queuing?
If other people decide *they* want to queue, that is your business how exactly?
When I did Crowbery Gully 24 years ago (!) I was with a crowd. It felt not at all like a winter climb, more like a Diff, just moving steadily upwards hooking existing placements. I never had to swing a tool once.
Classic or not, it was not worth the effort under those circumstances. Lesson learned!
Sometimes I've queued, sometimes I've gone and climbed something else.
Don't assume that you will have a bad time if you queue though, as long as you've plenty of warm clothes as inevitably there is more waiting around it can actually be quite good banter with both the people above and below.
I think my wife probably prefers routes with other people on (or at least close by on neighbouring routes) as she feels safer when there are other people about. Not everyone wants isolation and adventure, some people like a natter, time for a cup of tea and look at the view and are happy not heading up a warp speed!
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