/ Moderator Amnesty

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I think it would be a good idea to have a Moderator Amnesty so that we can help get the UKC Logbooks into slightly better shape.

Existing Moderators
If you moderate a crag but find yourself ignoring the update emails, or you have lost interest, then please could you remove yourself as moderator using the button at the base of the crag moderation page. Then reply to this thread with 'Crag Available', the name and link so that someone else can volunteer.

New Moderators
If you would like to moderate a crag, and feel you could do a better job than the current moderator, then reply to this thread with 'Crag Requested', the crag name and link so that we can arrange a switch if appropriate.

Thanks for everyone's help with UKC Logbook moderating. We are aware that this is sometimes a tiresome task and all your efforts are appreciated.

Alan

PS. My Crags. Before anyone posts on here, yes I am aware that I am moderator for 55 crags some of which have pending updates. I tend to make myself moderator to tidy them up when working on guidebooks but I am more than happy to let others take over so feel free to apply for any of my crags.
Post edited at 12:40

Jon Read - on 14 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:
Now available for moderation:
Annot, southern France
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2039

Way too much recent development since I went in early 2000s, and I don't even have a guide!
Post edited at 12:50
In reply to Jon Read:

That's great Jon. Can you say if the crag is available in your reply, or badly moderated, or one you want to moderate.

Alan
Jon Read - on 14 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Done.
Dave Musgrove - on 14 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag Not Well Moderated.

Lord's Seat is a bit of a mess. http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1557 It's a bit complicated with bouldering recorded differently in 3 different guides but I've got them all so I'm happy to try sort it out if Will is happy to hand it over?
Frank the Husky - on 14 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Cracken Edge: Not well moderated. Details of only 3 climbs, no obvious activity. I live 800yards away so I'm the best person for this slice of heaven.

Oldpits Quarry: Not well moderated. There are two shown on the database. I volunteered to moderate one and then realised some other guy is moderating the other, but not well. There are more than 7 routes at the crag and this has been known since 2010 so I'll do this one too if that's OK.
In reply to Dave Musgrove:

Thanks Dave, now switched.

NOTE - I haven't time to contact moderators so if I look at crags and judge them to be a bit neglected and we have a willing volunteer then I will just do the switch. Sorry if this seems a bit impolite.

Alan
Dave 88 - on 14 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag not well moderated-

An Teallach-

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=714

Currently no moderator. Routes need adding, tidying up (ie multiple versions of the ridge traverse), and could do with the different buttress' and coires separating out properly.
In reply to Frank the Husky:

Thanks Martin.

Added you as moderator for Cracken.

Sorted Oldpits as well.

Please post a link as well, it saves me a lot of clicks.

Alan
In reply to Dave 88:

> Currently no moderator. Routes need adding, tidying up (ie multiple versions of the ridge traverse), and could do with the different buttress' and coires separating out properly.

Then just apply please, no need to post on the thread for those.

Alan
xplorer on 14 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

I have been busy recently, but have and will be updating over next few weeks.

Baslow all up to date
telemarker - on 14 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag Available

Rhue Sea Cliffs
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=450
jon on 14 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag not well moderated.
Dentelles de Montmirail. http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2064
Could do with a lot of tidying up.
Frank the Husky - on 14 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Ridge Upper Moor Tor: No moderator. I've volunteered.
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=17820

Box Canyon: WTF? There's a picture of some guy soloing in SoCal but directions to someplace in Tintwistle. This is a non existent crag...probably been confused with John Henry Quarry by someone who finds it difficult to get dressed in the morning. Delete!
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2893
jayjackson - on 14 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag available. Point de Innominata, Mont Blanc Massif.
Not much needs doing and rarely visited.

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=18303
Dan Lane - on 14 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

I don't have time to go around and 'de-moderate' myself from all of the crags i'm in charge of. But now that I don't live in the Peak i'd be more than happy to give up my crags to anyone who wants them.
Dave 88 - on 14 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Oh right, er I don't make it there anywhere near enough to moderate it, I live in north yorks. I'd be happy to do a bit of house keeping but won't I delete people's ascents if I try to amalgamate all the different versions of the traverse? Is there a moderation tutorial on here anywhere?
In reply to Dan Lane:

I can one-click de-moderate you from all of them Dan if you would like?

Alan
Mehmet Karatay - on 14 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

I've stopped being a moderator for:

* Flodigarry, Skye: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1275
* Mount Kenya: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3809

Mehmet
In reply to jon:

> Dentelles de Montmirail. http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2064
> Could do with a lot of tidying up.

Current moderator is active though.

Alan
ads.ukclimbing.com
In reply to Dave 88:

> Is there a moderation tutorial on here anywhere?

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/help2.html

You don't need to live near a crag to moderate it, just know it well and have the most recent guidebooks.

Alan
Fultonius - on 14 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:
Crag Available Etive Slabs
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=535

Crag Available Coire Laggan, Skye
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2630

Crag Available Shag's Point, Mingulay
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4188

Crag Available Wee Geo - Ryan's Wall, Guarsay Beag, Mingulay
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4186

Crag Available West Face of Shag's Point, Mingulay
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4184

Also, this crag ( http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=4183 ) should probably be deleted and the route moved to South Pillar of this crag: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4091
Post edited at 14:39
Dave 88 - on 14 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

I'm afraid I don't fall into either of those categories Al, I was just pointing out a crag that needed some work doing, as requested.
Roberttaylor - on 14 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crags available

Ravens rock http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=11329 and Ravens Rock quarry http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=11330, both near Strathpeffer. My contribution in the past two years has been to find my way to one of these (I think...) and be wholly unimpressed. It seems that nobody has climbed there since the first ascents (wisely) though the reported grade IV line might be interesting if it comes into condition, which it won't.

If anyone does want to moderate these, good luck.
Dan Lane - on 14 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Sounds like a good plan, Alan.
GPN - on 14 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag Requested: Brant Fell - current mod no longer seems to be active.
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1449
French Erick - on 14 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Hi Alan,
I seem to be the only person to ever climb to the crags I moderate (obscure southern alps valley). I add the crags, I log the climb and then noone ever climbs them- with one notable exception by a strong team from Holland who have also been very active in Annot. At the time they emailed me the new route, but also emailed the local guidebook person.

If you're happy with that level of activity then it's all good. I often wonder if it is not just using space on your website for no gain?

I also wondered whether I should put it all under One valley: although it would mean hundreds of climbs (a bit like Ben nevis).
jon on 14 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

> Current moderator is active though.

Perhaps a little nudge then. There's something like a couple of hundred routes that need inserting into the already prepared buttresses and thirty something routes all called 'unknown' - which isn't a lot of use when we have no idea where they are.
In reply to Dave 88:

> I'm afraid I don't fall into either of those categories Al, I was just pointing out a crag that needed some work doing, as requested.

Sorry, yes I see what you mean now.

Alan
In reply to Dan Lane:

Okay, so that has been done. The following are now available if anyone wants them

Shining Clough Rocks, Laddow Rocks, Kinder Northern Edges, Crowden Great Quarry, Bareholme Crag, Brockholes Quarry, Deer Knowl, Blackshaw Quarry, Broadbottom Quarry, Coombes Edge, Wormstones, Kinder Bank Quarry Bowden Bridge, Wildboar Clough, Yellowslacks, Railway Bank (Water-Cum-Jolly), Shelf Benches, Black Tor

Alan
In reply to GPN:

> Crag Requested: Brant Fell - current mod no longer seems to be active.
> http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1449

Switched.

Alan
In reply to French Erick:

> If you're happy with that level of activity then it's all good. I often wonder if it is not just using space on your website for no gain?

It isn't a problem.

> I also wondered whether I should put it all under One valley: although it would mean hundreds of climbs (a bit like Ben nevis).

I prefer areas being done like this. We will eventually have locations on Buttresses so it doesn't matter that the pins can be in the wrong place on large crags. Bigger crags are easier to manage in the long run. You will need help to combine them though since that isn't something a normal moderator ca do.

Alan
mrdigitaljedi - on 14 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

hi alan

crag requested is Rock End, mod does'nt seem interested.

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=908

Stuart S - on 14 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

One of the crags I moderate is Shaftoe in Northumberland. I'm sure there must be someone more local than me who could do a better job than I have, so I would be happy to pass it on if anyone volunteers (drop me an email), but I'll hang onto it in the meantime on the basis that my efforts are better than nothing.
The Reaper on 14 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Just signed up to Kinder North + Shining Clough

Curbar and Froggatt need a bit of tidying up..
In reply to mrdigitaljedi:

> crag requested is Rock End, mod does'nt seem interested.


switched.
mrdigitaljedi - on 14 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Thanks.
Neil Foster - on 14 Dec 2013
> In reply to Alan James:
> Dentelles de Montmirail. http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2064
> Could do with a lot of tidying up.


> In reply to jon:
> Current moderator is active though.


> In reply to Alan James:
> Alan
> Perhaps a little nudge then. There's something like a couple of hundred routes that need inserting into the already prepared buttresses and thirty something routes all called 'unknown' - which isn't a lot of use when we have no idea where they are.


In reply to Alan James:

Alan

With all due respect to the current Dentelles moderator, the current logbooks for that area are in a fairly dire state - actually rather worse than Jon implies. Crags are duplicated, with the majority of routes listed in a single "Dentelles" crag, but (some) individual crags then listed separately as well.

In my opinion, it would be far better to have a separate Logbooks entry for each Dantelles crag - they are distinct venues afterall - and then remove the 'global' list.

If Jon was offering to sort this all out in his original post - and please correct me if I've got that wrong Jon! - then that is a huge task which would be extremely useful, and - being done by a local - I'm sure it would be much more accurate and comprehensive than could ever be achieved 'remotely'.

If I were you (or the current Moderator), I would bite Jon's hand off....

Neil
Dave Garnett - on 14 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

> switched.

Presumably the photo is of the Restaurant at the Rock End of the Universe!
jon on 14 Dec 2013
In reply to Neil Foster:

> ... and please correct me if I've got that wrong Jon!

Please stand corrected, Neil!
mark20 - on 14 Dec 2013
In reply to The Reaper:
Just added in a few new routes at Shining Clough and tidied it up a bit.
mattrm - on 14 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

I sent you guys an email about this crag a while back:

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=885

It's actually several different crags, all munged in to one. Needs to be split up.

This is an empty dupe of the above:

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19192

Please remove it.
deacondeacon - on 14 Dec 2013
In reply to The Reaper:

Curbar and Froggatt are a real mess considering they're two of the most popular crags in the uk. Wish I had the time to take them over but am just too busy.
The guy who moderates them moderates another 200 odd crags so is probably a bit overburdened.
Neil Foster - on 14 Dec 2013
In reply to jon:

> Please stand corrected, Neil!

Oh well!

It was worth a try....
mark20 - on 14 Dec 2013
In reply to deacondeacon:

I could do Curbar
The Reaper on 14 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

I'll take Froggatt or Curbar or both...
In reply to mattrm:

> I sent you guys an email about this crag a while back:


> It's actually several different crags, all munged in to one. Needs to be split up.

As I mentioned above, we prefer to work with bigger crags if possible so I'll not split this up now since it appears to be well moderated. There may be a case for it but a well moderated big crag with buttress dividers is better than a lot of smaller crags.

> This is an empty dupe of the above:



Done
In reply to mark20:

> I could do Curbar

Ok, I have added you. I need to have a look at that one actually since I have been doing a lot of boulder problem rationalisation at other crags to try and get standard names. But see what you can sort since it would be helpful to have some of the bouldering sorted there.

Alan
In reply to The Reaper:

> I'll take Froggatt

And you now have Froggatt. Ditto regarding the boulder problem name rationalisation.
In reply to Neil Foster:

These crags probably need more major surgery which only one of us Rockfax team can do, and in this case that usually means me. I did dump all the RF France guide routes into the database matching names to try and remove duplicates. This is so that people using the Rockfax guides can type the routes in to tick them and they should appear. The problem is that the listings aren't in any order now, which is quite a mess for the big crags.

We did sort most of this out for the Costa Blanca crags which are all now pretty tidy. It is a big job though and one best performed when we are producing a book.

Alan
Dave Musgrove - on 14 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Lord's Seat now sorted.
Chris the Tall - on 14 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

I've been delaying further work on Stanage and Burbage until the next software update, which I thought was imminent.

In particular the request I'd desperately like to see implemented is the ability for a moderator to get an a full data extract, in something like a CSV file. Either the full crag, or just the updates.

The big problem is the quality of the updates. The only way to tell if there is any detail attached is to look in the record, and I'm afraid I find the web interface clunky. If I can extract it to a file, I can print it off and then use that list when I'm flicking through a guidebook ( or in the case of Stanage, multiple guides)

On other crags, the guide doesn't have an index, so it 's a lot easier to deal with updates if I can see at a glance what additional info (if any) has been supplied
Si dH - on 15 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag now available: Cloggy. Ive kept it up to date but originally took it on after a brilliant first visit that made me want to return. ..but I still haven't managed it! Others know the crag far better and visit much more often than me. Hopefully a keen local will take it on.
Cheers
timjones - on 15 Dec 2013
In reply to jon:

> Crag not well moderated.


> Could do with a lot of tidying up.

It looks like we have a volunteer ;)
Graeme Hammond - on 15 Dec 2013
In reply to Frank the Husky:

I think i only volunteered to take Oldpits Quarry on so that i could approve the few existing routes that had been added and so i could add a few more that were on the "over the moors" tick list i created and I sorted the crag out at the same time. So whilst i didn't add the other 7 routes listed in your guide book to say it was not well moderated is untrue. Still happy for you to take it on given you know more about it than I ever will.
Graeme Hammond - on 15 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:
Have removed myself from "Hangstone Rocks" the crag is banned and i no longer live in the area.

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8765
Post edited at 10:04
victim of mathematics - on 15 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Red Rocks is a mess.

Ideally it needs consolidating into 13 crags to match the sections in the Handren guidebook. I believe Pythonist was intending to do something along these lines, and I passed moderation of a few crags over to him several years ago for that reason, but he seems to have lost interest.

Happy to do it, or let somebody else do it, but my OCD is very unhappy with it staying as it is...
Laramadness - on 15 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Bit of a complicated one - I have taken myself off Galetas near the Verdon, but still moderator for Le Galetas, in the past both had been added as crags separately and I clicked to moderate Galetas before realising Le Galetas was also on there with more of the routes (and people's ticks) entered. There is one multi-pitch route in the Galetas entry which seems popular but is not at the single crag known as Le Galetas, it may be on the buttresses above the town of Moustiers but I don't know for sure!
Laramadness - on 15 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Also worth noting - in the Ariege section is listed a crag called Larun's - "Note that this crag is actually called Hourat near Larun's in the Haute Pyrenees, several hours from the Ariege."
DerwentDiluted - on 15 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Good idea, if someone has a burning urge to take on Kinder South and Downfall areas then I'll happily relinquish them. I only took them on as I thought they were too important to go unmoderated. They are pretty much sorted and just need the OTM additions adding. Happy to still do it if no takers.
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Graeme Hammond - on 15 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Have tided up whats so far been added to Shelf Benches & Yellowslacks. (not a massive job mainly approving a few missing routes I added in the summer)

How can you change the crag details? the guide books listed for these crags are out of date for instance
Laramadness - on 15 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

While I'm at it - in the Ariege section "Roc de Piteille" should say "Roc de Piteil" and Niaux crag can now be deleted entirely as these crags are listed under their individual names - my errors, thank you! Also, Sibada, Laramade, Genat are all a bit neglected - not sure how much moderating Tez is doing these days - happy to take on any and all of these.
Graeme Hammond - on 15 Dec 2013
In reply to DerwentDiluted:

added a few routes to these in the summer and happy to take them on.

would be useful if Grindsbrook Rocks and Upper Tor could be merged with the southern area
Tyler - on 15 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag available:

Sergeant in Valle del Orco, not even sure how I came to be moderating this, not that it isn't brilliant.

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4114


Graeme Hammond - on 15 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Have just tided up and added some missing info to some climbs as per the latest guide to Crowden Great Quarry, but happy for someone more local to take it on.

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=928
Graeme Hammond - on 15 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

"How can you change the crag details? the guide books listed for these crags are out of date for instance"

Now worked out how to change this
gforce on 15 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Regarding Glen Nevis... all the crags at Polldubh have been grouped together in one entry in the logbook. I think this works well.

To tidy up further and make more user friendly I reckon that the crags:
Gorge Crag, Gorge Wall and River Walls should be grouped under the name Steall Gorge Crags.
Wave Buttress, Space Face, Blade Buttress, Galaxy Buttress and Meadow Walls should be grouped under the name Steall Meadows Crags.

I'd happily moderate them in this format.
metal arms on 15 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crags Available - Papoose, Shannon Falls, The Squaw. All in and around Squamish, Canada.

I only have the selected guide so cannot check updates reliably.
cem on 15 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

As already observed, Red Rocks is a complete mess
jon on 15 Dec 2013
In reply to timjones:

No Tim, see my conversation with Neil Foster, yesterday...
DerwentDiluted - on 15 Dec 2013
In reply to Graeme Hammond:
Kinder downfall, Southern Edges, Grindsbrook rocks and Upper & Nether tors all available now.
Post edited at 18:15
Graeme Hammond - on 15 Dec 2013
In reply to DerwentDiluted:

ok thanks, will be sorted shortly...

Alan can you merge small amount of duplicate data from Grindsbrook Rocks, Upper Tor and Nether Tor into the Kinder Southern Edges before I begin sorting out that crag?
Can I make a request to everyone please....

When you refer to a crag, PLEASE include the clickable full URL link in the post (or email if you are sending one). It turns a job of about 10 mouse clicks into a single mouse click for me to make changes.

Thanks

Alan
submariner - on 15 Dec 2013
In reply to Dave 88:

Happy to do An Teallach, will take a look this week.
submariner - on 15 Dec 2013
In reply to Fultonius:

I can moderate Etive Slabs but its still showing as belonging to Fultonius.

Those Mongulay ones prob best off being amalgamated with others, don't know if a whole Mingulay crag is too much though.
Rog Wilko on 15 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

I have removed myself from moderating Mt Coudon, Main Crag as I don't have the latest definitive guide.
Rog Wilko on 15 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Also from Baou de Quatre Ouro, same reason.
Stuart S - on 15 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Alan, is there any chance you could do me a favour and amalgamate Dale's Camp (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=8239) into the Buttermilks (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=1909).

Most of the other outlying areas at the Buttermilks (of which Dale's Camp is one of several) are included in the main Buttermilks section but Dale's Camp has a crag entry all of its own. At the moment, I have Dale's Camp problems which have been added to the Buttermilks section awaiting moderation and it has the potential to become a bit of a mess if I approve them with the current set-up.
Liam Ingram - on 15 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag Requested - Suidhe Biorach. The current moderator has completely ignored it and it is one of my favourite crags.
crisp - on 15 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:
I have moved to Italy so I will have to retire from moderating:
Pack Horse Quarry http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1410
Edmund's Castle http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2754

Chris
Post edited at 19:23
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Liam Ingram - on 15 Dec 2013
In reply to Liam Ingram:

> Crag Requested - Suidhe Biorach. The current moderator has completely ignored it and it is one of my favourite crags.

Sorry forgot to add the link
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3202
Wee Davie - on 15 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

I was hoping this would be an opporchancity for Mick Ryan to hand in his stats tables....

Doh.
Fiend - on 15 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Gimme temporary access to Ratho Quarry http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=12 as a lot of routes need sorting out. Andymoin can have it back afterwards.
craig h - on 15 Dec 2013
In reply to crisp:
I'll look after Pack Horse Quarry, seem to end up here at least twice a decade :-)

Looks all nicely up to date too.
Post edited at 21:33
Lukem6 - on 15 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:
Crag Requested: Wildcat crag

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=143

I am local and climb here a lot. Tend to visit the area all year round. and have plenty of time on my hands.

P.S I also have all guide books since derwent paperback
Post edited at 21:52
victim of mathematics - on 15 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

OK then. New crag name, followed by existing crags that should be merged/changed:

The Southern Outcrops & Mud Springs Canyon:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=18554
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4223
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4224
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4225
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=5868

Black Velvet Canyon:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4226
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3519
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4227

First Creek Canyon & Mount Wilson:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=5859
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4228
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=5863

Oak Creek Canyon:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4229
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4230
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3467

Juniper Canyon:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=5862
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2100
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4231
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4232
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4233

Pine Creek Canyon:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3468
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4234

Icebox Canyon:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=5861

Willow Springs:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4235
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=17190
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8250
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8249
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8251

White Rock Springs:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4236
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=5869

Calico Hills, First Pullout:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=5860
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9706
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19855
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19074
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8245
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=15930
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19799
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10938
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=18712
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1946
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19852

Calico Hills, Second Pullout:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=5856
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4237
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=18706
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=18707
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8753
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=16623
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2452
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=5867
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8246
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2034
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3518
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8248

Calico Hills, Sandstone Quarry:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=5866
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2362
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=16561
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=11831
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=11832
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=11830
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2365
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2364
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2363
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8247

Calico Basin - Red Springs:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10202
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=17342
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=18721
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=5858
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10203
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10204

Calico Basin - Kraft Mountain:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=16622
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=18705

And you can just delete:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=5871
Climbster - on 15 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crags Requested

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=549
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1091
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2872
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1637

These are some of my local crags, which I know inside out and could do with a tidy up, if the current mods are willing to give them up. I have the current guides and I'd particularly like to moderate Slipstones; which desperately needs an update.

Please let me know

Regards,

Matt
crossdressingrodney - on 15 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag Available - I don't live anywhere near any more or have the up-to-date guidebooks.

Slape Scar http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1269

Scout Scar http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=770
alasdair19 on 16 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Thanks to everyone that mods a crag a great resource!
Thanks to everyone posting on here. I will sort these today when I get time. Just got to take the car for its MOT.

Alan
Big Lee - on 16 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Another vote for Stanage. There are updates from 2 years ago that I have sent, which are still awaiting update. Basic stuff such as routes not being the latest published grade. I'm not volunteering but surely somenody can do a better job???
In reply to Big Lee:

> Another vote for Stanage. There are updates from 2 years ago that I have sent, which are still awaiting update. Basic stuff such as routes not being the latest published grade. I'm not volunteering but surely somenody can do a better job???

Chris is doing fantastic job with Stanage, one of the best moderators that UKC is lucky to have. Chris is also working with us on improving the moderator system and, if he had all his wishes, then we would be much further forward since it is just the UKC development resources that are holding things back.

The reason there are unverified updates at Stanage is not because Chris is ignoring them, but because he is dealing with the whole crag and has numerous problems created by people uploading simple duplicates, and the multiple boulder problem names (a problem made worse by the Vertebrate and BMC guides choosing different names for problems when they really didn't need to).

So thanks for this, but Stanage is in very good hands and we don't want a change of moderator - please Chris!

Alan
Big Lee - on 16 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Ok, some examples then:

Update sent Nov 2011. Now S,4b in RF
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/c.php?i=10408

Update sent Nov 2011. Now VS,4c in RF
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/c.php?i=10271

These are hardly ambiguous update requests.

But I know what you mean about some of the bouldering eliminates & variations updates...
maria85 - on 16 Dec 2013
In reply to Tyler:

I'll happily take Sergent (and anything else in Orco)


Crags available:

Tunnel Mountain: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=7402
Heart Creek: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=7442

My guidebook for both is in Canada and I'm now living in the UK again so can't moderate.

On that note, everything around that area is in a right mess, especially the Alpine stuff. I have the alpine guides over here and happy to put some work in to it, but will need some 'crags' (i.e. huge areas!) deleting and their routes combining with other areas; mountains adding; etc etc.
RichardMc - on 16 Dec 2013
In reply to jon: > Crag not well moderated.
> Dentelles de Montmirail. http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2064
> Could do with a lot of tidying up.

I started to do a complete overhaul of the Dentelles but then my life got very complicated and I seem to emmigrated to NZ. However, now I have a house to live in and I have just got my main computer out of the container and I would like to finish what I started.
My plan was/is to set the Dentelle up as a number of separate crags.

Richard


RichardMc - on 16 Dec 2013
In reply to Neil Foster:
Please see my reply to Jon. It was the state of the global list which led me to volunteer to sort it out.

I started by locating and setting up individual crags into which I intended to move the entries from the original single "crag". For example the Rocher du Grand Travers crag is complete.

Then my life got a bit complicated.

I am now in position to continue. I would like to finish the reorganisation and then hand it over to others to polish the grading. I am working from the current local topo book.

Richard



Richard
Post edited at 10:17
Coel Hellier - on 16 Dec 2013
In reply to Big Lee:

> Ok, some examples then:
> Update sent Nov 2011. Now S,4b in RF
> Update sent Nov 2011. Now VS,4c in RF

One reason why moderators have been very reluctant to update grades is that doing so destroys all the voting information -- or at least it used to, I forget whether this has now been changed.
In reply to Laramadness:

> Also worth noting - in the Ariege section is listed a crag called Larun's - "Note that this crag is actually called Hourat near Larun's in the Haute Pyrenees, several hours from the Ariege."

Moved
NickD - on 16 Dec 2013
Crag available

Craig yr Haul, Llanberis(ish)
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4011

Sorry, not had time to check things. lovely little crag.

In reply to Laramadness:

> While I'm at it - in the Ariege section "Roc de Piteille" should say "Roc de Piteil" and Niaux crag can now be deleted entirely as these crags are listed under their individual names - my errors, thank you! Also, Sibada, Laramade, Genat are all a bit neglected - not sure how much moderating Tez is doing these days - happy to take on any and all of these.

Renamed and switched.

Alan
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In reply to Graeme Hammond:
> Alan can you merge small amount of duplicate data from Grindsbrook Rocks, Upper Tor and Nether Tor into the Kinder Southern Edges before I begin sorting out that crag?

Now merged - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=260
Post edited at 10:31
Big Lee - on 16 Dec 2013
In reply to Coel Hellier:
> (In reply to Big Lee)
>
> [...]
>
> One reason why moderators have been very reluctant to update grades is that doing so destroys all the voting information -- or at least it used to, I forget whether this has now been changed.

Yes, it got changed a while ago.
In reply to submariner:

> I can moderate Etive Slabs but its still showing as belonging to Fultonius.

Switched.

Alan
In reply to Stuart S:

> Alan, is there any chance you could do me a favour and amalgamate Dale's Camp (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=8239) into the Buttermilks (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=1909).

Done - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1909
In reply to Liam Ingram:

> Crag Requested - Suidhe Biorach. The current moderator has completely ignored it and it is one of my favourite crags.

Swicthed - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3202
In reply to Fiend:

> Gimme temporary access to Ratho Quarry http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=12 as a lot of routes need sorting out. Andymoin can have it back afterwards.

Done - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=12
In reply to Lukem6:

> Crag Requested: Wildcat crag


Switched.

Alan
Rog Wilko on 16 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag requested
I would happily take over Kettle Crag in Langdale. It's a crag in which I have a proprietary interest, and the route descriptions I submitted a year or two back haven't been approved.
In reply to Climbster:


Now switched. The last three weren't that badly moderated so you may need to swap them back if the old moderator gets in touch.

Alan
cfer - on 16 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Happy to keep doing

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1538

Not living in the area but still visit twice a year, although if anyone else wants to take it over thats fine also.

Any in Lancashire that need doing I can now do if youi need any
In reply to RichardMc:

> My plan was/is to set the Dentelle up as a number of separate crags.

Although we usually prefer to go the other way, I can see the sense for splitting these areas back up into separate areas since they do have different approaches and character. Let me know where the splits are and I can sort.

Alan

Tip for anyone wanting to sort a crag which is a complete mess.

Go to browser preferences and turn off 'Javascript'. Then reload the page and you will get the ordering number boxes instead of the drag and drop re-ordering. This makes major moves a bit easier.

Alan
victim of mathematics - on 16 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Brilliant, thanks.

Will sort them all out over Christmas.
petellis - on 16 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

That confused me. I was in the process of updating it and everything broke!
TimB - on 16 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Hi Alan,

I still haven't sorted out the RF-imports for Claret, Hortus and Russan (and Thaurac). I know you answered this before, but could you just clarify : When a RF-import is a duplicate of an existing route, which should I delete - the old or new RF route.

Eg:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/c.php?i=182651 'Imbroglio' existing 7c
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/c.php?i=282484 'Imboglio' RF 7c with obvious typo in the name.

Neither have logged ascents.

I intend to delete one of these, and rename the remaining route 'Imbroglio (Imboglio)' or similar so that RF users find the route in the drop-down list.

But should I delete 182651 or 282484? If the newer route ID 282484 is linked to the RF database then I should delete the old one - but I thought that you previously suggested deleting the newer route?
submariner - on 16 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

OK, just sorted it out but its not displaying properly?
victim of mathematics - on 16 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Incidentally, if anybody more local wants to take on any of these, they're welcome to. They're all in good order and I'm happy to carry on with them, but if anyone has a burning desire to take ownership then that's fine by me:

Pen-y-Cil
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=8875

Rock Garden Crags
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=1961

Tarn Crag (Langdale)
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=1613

Beggar's Stile
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=2667

Or any of these in the Pfalz
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=19437
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=19420
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=19421
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=19435
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=19438
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=19426
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=14613
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=19433
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=19430
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=10556
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=19425
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=19427
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=19419
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=19429
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=19431
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=19439
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=19422
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=19424
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=19436
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=19434
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=10563
Simon Caldwell - on 16 Dec 2013
In reply to Big Lee:
> Now S,4b in RF
> Now VS,4c in RF

Since grades are supposed to be the ones from the definitive guides, do you know what these are given in the BMC book?
Post edited at 12:06
Simon Caldwell - on 16 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

> The last three weren't that badly moderated so you may need to swap them back if the old moderator gets in touch.

Indeed. I thought the point of this thread was to get crags sorted that aren't being looked after properly, rather than those which are?
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Neil Foster - on 16 Dec 2013
In reply to RichardMc:

> Please see my reply to Jon. It was the state of the global list which led me to volunteer to sort it out.

> I started by locating and setting up individual crags into which I intended to move the entries from the original single "crag". For example the Rocher du Grand Travers crag is complete.

> I am now in position to continue. I would like to finish the reorganisation and then hand it over to others to polish the grading. I am working from the current local topo book.

> Richard

Thanks for the confirmation, Richard, and good luck with the de-merge work which will be really useful.

When you have finished that phase, I still suggest Jon would be a good person to approach for some feedback on Grades, missing routes etc, even if he doesn't want to formally take over the moderation.

Neil

craig h - on 16 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag requested - Pack Horse Quarry http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1410
In reply to TimB:

> But should I delete 182651 or 282484? If the newer route ID 282484 is linked to the RF database then I should delete the old one - but I thought that you previously suggested deleting the newer route?

It isn't hugely important which you delete since we can link them up again, however deleting the older non-RF-linked route would make things easier. These ones usually have more data associated with them though so sometimes it is a shame. The Logbook ticks are, of course, transferred.

So where you have a choice, leave the newer version, unless it has a lot of data. Make the name agree with RF even if it has a typo since then the matching will be automatic.

Alan
In reply to submariner:

> OK, just sorted it out but its not displaying properly?

Sorry, not sure what you mean. Force refresh may sort this out.

Alan
In reply to Toreador:

> Indeed. I thought the point of this thread was to get crags sorted that aren't being looked after properly, rather than those which are?

Well they had updates pending since July. Not bad but could be better. If someone wants to do a burst of moderating and then pass it back then that is fine.

Alan
In reply to craig h:

> Crag requested - Pack Horse Quarry http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1410

Switched. Nothing done on that crag since 2008, but nothing pending either.

Alan
CurlyStevo - on 16 Dec 2013
In reply to Big Lee:

I think the only grades you can expect the crag pages to reflect are the those in the most recent definitive guide so I personally wouldn't expect rockfax grades to be used here if they differ.
Lukem6 - on 16 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:
thankyou Alan work has begun already
BruceW - on 16 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Excellent idea!


Crags Available:

Shakemantle Quarry: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=1581

Haven’t been able to get there for a few years and it is now a bit more complicated as the upper tier seems to be much better bolted than it was, leading to people adding existing routes as sports grades rather than the old trad grades. I haven’t been able to confirm these one way or the other.

Castle Rock: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=1133

Plump Hill Quarry: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=1582

If no new moderators take them up, I would be happy to look after them again for a while but there may well be someone out there closer to them than I am.

Bruce.
In reply to CurlyStevo:

> I think the only grades you can expect the crag pages to reflect are the those in the most recent definitive guide so I personally wouldn't expect rockfax grades to be used here if they differ.

We will be switching everything to Rockfax grades when we do the full sync between the RF database and the Logbook database. We will also be bolting the grades down when we do this and moderators won't be able to change them after that.

Alan
Choss on 16 Dec 2013
In reply to BruceW:

Happy to Take either castle rock cleeve Hill or plump hill quarry if that helps?

Know them both well.
Chris the Tall - on 16 Dec 2013
In reply to Big Lee:
> Ok, some examples then:

> Update sent Nov 2011. Now S,4b in RF


> Update sent Nov 2011. Now VS,4c in RF


> These are hardly ambiguous update requests.

> But I know what you mean about some of the bouldering eliminates & variations updates...

In case you didn't see it, I did explain higher up the thread as to why I haven't done anything on Stanage and Burbage for a time

Actually your's are a great example:

I get an email saying there has been an update the request, but the email doesn't tell me the data, so its several clicks before I get to the update and another couple to look at the original record. Now yours is not an update I can immediately dismiss (some people think First Ascent is the date they first climbed it!), but it's not one I can immediately accept either.

I need to go and look up those routes in the BMC guide and if that's different to Rockfax I'll put in text that effect (you'll notice that Needle Crack is N route in the BMC guides - more fun). If the guides agree then I'll now update it, but remember for the first 6 or so years of this system updating a grade meant loss of voting data. That was certainly the case when you made your requests.

Basically these are popular crags, popular both with experienced climbers and newcomer, both to climbing and the logbook system. I still get a number of utterly stupid additions (why do people think a 3 star severe at Stanage Popular would be missing - you'd think they'd check they've got the name/crag right before adding it). A quick scan down the pending list tells me that there are a lot of updates to the wrong crag, which is a pain because there is no easy to transfer them (and I've submitted that as an NFR on countless occasions). But I suspect most of them are boulder problems (name like "5+","6b+") which may or may not already exist, but will be time-consuming with the current system to resolve.

As a software developer I prefer to help improve a system rather than moan about it. It has been a bit frustrating of late that my new feature requests haven't been implemented, but I understand the reason for this. The sheer volume of entries for Stanage and Burbage, and the multiple guidebooks, makes these crags harder to moderate than any other. Too much for one person - probably. But I'd like to hand them over in a clean state.
Post edited at 13:29
TimB - on 16 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

> We will be switching everything to Rockfax grades when we do the full sync between the RF database and the Logbook database. We will also be bolting the grades down when we do this and moderators won't be able to change them after that.


Yikes.

How do grades get changed then?

Certainly for LR, the ukc grades are more accurate than the rf grades. Isn't part of the point of having Moderators who know crags well to correct RF misprints/guesses and to update the database with the "latest" grades after hold breakage, rockfall and fixed gear modifications???

Simon Caldwell - on 16 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

> We will be switching everything to Rockfax grades when we do the full sync between the RF database and the Logbook database. We will also be bolting the grades down when we do this and moderators won't be able to change them after that.

I'm sure there will be loads of complaints, threats of moderator resignations, etc when this happens ;-)
The current guidelines say to use the latest definitive guide, which seems right to me. What's the reasoning for the change? Chris freely admits that he doesn't check every route, I'm sure he's not the only one. So incorrect RF grades will get perpetuated, even if a later definitive guide team checks the route and changes the grade.


Offwidth - on 16 Dec 2013
In reply to TimB:

Agreed . The other issue is that it makes the logbooks less independant. If Rockfax won't put the latest grade information in then its time we all pushed for a new database elsewhere. I have no problem with Rockfax grades when the majority agree with them (rather than the definitive) but Rockfax grades like any guidebook grades can sometimes be plain wrong or even a typo. I hope Alan can think again about this.
GrantB - on 16 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

In most cases, you'd do better to update the rockfax grades based on the UKC ones.
BruceW - on 16 Dec 2013
In reply to Choss:

Excellent - hopefully they are in ok order at the moment for you if you want them both :) Few new routes to do (until something falls down at Plump Hill again)...
Choss on 16 Dec 2013
In reply to BruceW:

> Excellent - hopefully they are in ok order at the moment for you if you want them both :) Few new routes to do (until something falls down at Plump Hill again)...

Said i'll happily Take one of them for now ;-) you Decide Which one?

Maybe Take Other Later.

I am good with either. Know them both well, done most of everything at either, except the low Traverse at castle rock, too pumpy for Little old me ;-)

Can get to either Occasionally to check new things out.




whenry on 16 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:
Crag requested.
Spion Kop - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=405

Not a single approved route on it - at least one submitted route was posted 18 months ago.
Choss on 16 Dec 2013
In reply to BruceW:

which would you Prefer i took off your Hands for now Bruce?
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loundsy - on 16 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Shiraz and chinon at st nons are on two pages, a few of the Pembroke north coast crags are now available too, I no longer have the guides for them to do updates.
jon on 16 Dec 2013
In reply to RichardMc:

That's good to hear, Richard! I'd imagine Grand Travers, Gigondas and Clapis would make the most sense...? Do you know the names of all the routes that are marked 'unknown'? There are also a few new routes and still more being equipped as we speak. When you get things in order, I can let you know where the new ones are slotted in and maybe the grades of some of them. Getting info out of the guy who's doing the equipping is like getting blood from a stone - his nickname is le Taciturne! Anyway, good luck with your project!
In reply to TimB:

> Certainly for LR, the ukc grades are more accurate than the rf grades. Isn't part of the point of having Moderators who know crags well to correct RF misprints/guesses and to update the database with the "latest" grades after hold breakage, rockfall and fixed gear modifications???

I am not saying that we won't change the grades before we bolt them down, it is just that once we have the App functioning, we can't have grades changing willy-nilly since the App will uses data from the UKC Logbook Database as well and the routes need to be perfectly synced for it to work.

What we will do after that is periodic updates at crag level where we will take grade voting into account and change them in the App version (and our master version for future guidebooks), however this can only be done at a higher level of moderation using master documents which aren't accessible to moderators.

Alan
CurlyStevo - on 16 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

What App would that be Alan?
Chris the Tall - on 16 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Does this mean you'll be "bolting" down the bouldering grades as well - which grading system are you using ? And I presume you have adopted all the names from the BMC guides in the new Rockfax guide, otherwise someones in for a lot of fun....
Tom Last - on 16 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:


> We will also be bolting the grades down when we do this and moderators won't be able to change them after that.


Poor show and wildly arrogant. Who knows the grade of a route better? A local moderator who's bi-partisan, when considering guidebook grades from Rockfax, BMC, CC, Ground Up, whoever. Who's climbed a given route 10 times, knows ten other people who've climbed the same route ten times and seen ten total strangers climb the route too?

Or the Rockfax author, who's maybe climbed the route a handful of times if you're lucky?
In reply to Chris the Tall:

> Does this mean you'll be "bolting" down the bouldering grades as well - which grading system are you using ? And I presume you have adopted all the names from the BMC guides in the new Rockfax guide, otherwise someones in for a lot of fun....

The new Peak Bouldering guide should hopefully go a long way to sorting out boulder problem names and grades. We will be using system which takes account of both V and font grades and delivers both in the interface, with UK tech grades for the easier problems. How this eventually pans out with existing problems remains to be seen.

Don't worry on the names - I hope to have that sorted once and for all (wishful thinking maybe). Yes, we are mostly going with BMC names except for the occasions where the BMC appears to have gone off on its own, but this is isolated, mostly hard problems.

Alan
In reply to Tom Last:
I'll start another thread for this since I don't want this discussion to get in the way of this otherwise extremely useful thread.

New thread here with much more explanation about the changes proposed - http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?n=572672

Alan
Post edited at 18:20
Graeme Hammond - on 16 Dec 2013
harold walmsley - on 16 Dec 2013
In reply to maria85:

I started to moderate some of them just because nobody else did and I had a guidebook. I would be happy to let any of these go to someone with better local knowledge.
Bolehillbilly on 16 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag requested:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=15959

Happy to sort it out a bit and then hand it back.
In reply to Bolehillbilly:

> Crag requested:


> Happy to sort it out a bit and then hand it back.

Switched
andrewmcleod - on 17 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag Requested - Steeple Cove
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1478

I know it's only a silly bit of esoterica with two routes, but it currently has two Lakes winter routes in it for some reason, and I would like to clean it up a bit. I also recently acquired a copy of the South Devon and Dartmoor guidebook and should put it to good use :P
GPN - on 17 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag Requested: Warton Pinnacle Crag http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=469
Needs updating and buttresses dividing.
In reply to GPN:

> Crag Requested: Warton Pinnacle Crag http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=469

> Needs updating and buttresses dividing.

Switched
BruceW - on 17 Dec 2013
In reply to Choss:

Don't mind. I'll hang on to Plump Hill then...

Cheers,

Bruce.
Choss on 17 Dec 2013
In reply to BruceW:

Ok Bruce.
isi_o - on 17 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crags available:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2679
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=11418

If anyone wants to take them on… I took them in the summer as nobody was moderating either and there were ascents on there from that guy who got banned a while back for making up really hard ascents in remote locations, which I've deleted.
There is no current comprehensive guidebook, which is my main problem with getting them sorted properly - keep meaning to trawl through the old SMC guide and the SMC journals since then, make a list, and head out there to check… Haven't made it yet though and probably won't now until the winter storms abate! Would require bigger cojones than I have to go anywhere near the cliffs at the Butt just now… If anyone has a clearer idea of the state of play up there and wants to take these on, then please feel free, I mainly want to get them sorted as I think I have spied a nice new line but not sure if it really is new or not! :)
Isi
peteJ23 - on 17 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

There is an old duplicate issue at Crookstones/Hellifield.

I moderate Hellifield and updated it from Yorkshire gritstone bouldering

Not really sure about the Crookstones site its been up longer but has less info..

If you merge it with Hellifield I will sort out the duplicates?

Pete
nick ingram on 17 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:
Crag Available

Ponton De La Oliva

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2028
Post edited at 19:05
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maria85 - on 17 Dec 2013
In reply to harold walmsley:

Ok, I'll have a closer look when I get chance and let you know if I can work on any that you have. Thanks!
John Dale - on 18 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag Requested Creag nam Fitheach, Knapdale
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=578
Happy to moderate this as I live locally. For anyone else in the area we also post info on https://www.facebook.com/pages/Mid-Argyll-Climbers/201776306508015
Andy Nisbet - on 19 Dec 2013
In reply to John Dale:

John, I've e-mailed you about the next SMC guidebook to the area.
rlrs on 19 Dec 2013
In reply to rlrs:

I could have the latter two.

Not got my Swiss guides here but pretty sure Azalee Beach and Traverse Stupid are on the wrong crag (are already on Azalee Beach) and Foxie is on Sector Crow,

Chris
rlrs on 19 Dec 2013
In reply to Chris Craggs:

I'm happy to take the latter two, and I asked first! I've got the relevant guidebooks...your first two points are correct, but Foxie is in sector... Foxie (!).

The 5 "Gerstenegg Sector x" crags Azalée Beach, Donald Duck, Foxie, Dom and Crow might be better combined as one UKC crag, as in the Plaisir guidebook.

Richard
In reply to rlrs:


I have done that. It looks to me like those crags should be combined into a single entry though along with some others near by with a few routes only.

Shouldn't we just have one Gerstenegg crag?

Alan
In reply to rlrs:

> The 5 "Gerstenegg Sector x" crags Azalée Beach, Donald Duck, Foxie, Dom and Crow might be better combined as one UKC crag, as in the Plaisir guidebook.

Our replies crossed.

Now done - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3190

Alan
rlrs on 19 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Yes, one Gerstenegg crag makes sense (see reply above to Chris), I'm happy to take it.

Richard
In reply to John Dale:

> Crag Requested Creag nam Fitheach, Knapdale


> Happy to moderate this as I live locally. For anyone else in the area we also post info on https://www.facebook.com/pages/Mid-Argyll-Climbers/201776306508015

Now added although that one was free anyway so you can just claim crags like that using the link at the bottom.

Alan
In reply to rlrs:
Feel free - all yours!


Chris

;-)
Post edited at 21:32
Dave Williams - on 19 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag Requested please Alan

Bryn y Fan - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=13795

Needs updating and more importantly, correcting. Even the name of the crag is wrong. Correct name is: CRAIG Y FAN.

Thanks

Dave
rlrs on 20 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag Requested:

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=12417

The Gross Furkahorn. I could have sworn this was in better shape, but perhaps I'm wrong!
Jonny2vests - on 20 Dec 2013
In reply to metal arms:

> Crags Available - Papoose, Shannon Falls, The Squaw. All in and around Squamish, Canada.

> I only have the selected guide so cannot check updates reliably.

Happy to take these on Alan.
Willi Crater - on 20 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Slightly off topic I know, but why do some crags have a route count in the summary that doesn't match the tally of those listed?

In reply to Dave Williams:

> Crag Requested please Alan


> Needs updating and more importantly, correcting. Even the name of the crag is wrong. Correct name is: CRAIG Y FAN.

Changed and moderator switched.

Alan

In reply to rlrs:

> Crag Requested:


> The Gross Furkahorn. I could have sworn this was in better shape, but perhaps I'm wrong!

Switched.
In reply to Jonny2vests:

> Happy to take these on Alan.

Most of these are available so you can just apply using the links at the base.

Cheers
In reply to AndrewW:

> Slightly off topic I know, but why do some crags have a route count in the summary that doesn't match the tally of those listed?

The Crag database dates from before the Logbook system. When we first created it there were no routes listed, just the basic crag data. One of these fields in this data was climbs' which means the number of routes at the crag. It is just a number that crag moderators can edit it.

We have left it in place and may use it for something more intelligent sometime - like an auto counter of the number of routes there are listed in the logbook system for example.

Alan

Choss on 20 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Hi Alan.

When you type "castle rock" into the find crag function in the logbook section, the glos. Crag doesnt Appear in the Drop down List.

Can this be Sorted please?
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In reply to Choss:
> When you type "castle rock" into the find crag function in the logbook section, the glos. Crag doesnt Appear in the Drop down List.

Which Castle Rock doesn't appear? I can see 11 'Castle Rock's and 4 'Castle Rocks'.

Alan
Post edited at 09:04
Choss on 20 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Sorry Alan, i put Glos shorthand in above post.

Castle Rock. Cleeve Hill. Gloucestershire.

Been amending it, but it doesnt come up on the find crag Dropdown menu.

Cheers.
In reply to Choss:

> Been amending it, but it doesnt come up on the find crag Dropdown menu.

Hmmm... second on the list for me.

Are you seeing others?

Alan
Choss on 20 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Got it. Thanks Alan.

Device was locking locking dropdown menu at bottom of list for some reason.

Techno/brain Interface Issue.

Cheers.
GrantB - on 20 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

I can sort this one out if you like:

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1384
Dave Williams - on 20 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

> Changed and moderator switched.

> Alan

Thanks! :)
Paul Hy - on 20 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag Not Well Moderated

not in correct order or buttresses.

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=897

psul
Paul Hy - on 26 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

'Crag Requested'

Crag Not Well Moderated

not in correct order or buttresses.

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=897


Paul
remus - on 26 Dec 2013
In reply to Paul Hy:

crag requested - Split Rock (milton hill quarry)

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=129

Routes/grades are in pretty good shape but I want to go through and add descriptions, route lengths and FA details.
Ian McNeill - on 26 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag Available

Craig y Aderyn (Bird Rock)

no longer living in the area .. I'm now in the north east .... of England
Allan Young on 27 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag available : Pule Hill Rocks

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=318
craig h - on 27 Dec 2013
In reply to Allan Young:

I'd be happy to adopt Pule Hill, all the hard works been done by you anyway. Cheers for keeping it up to date. One of my favorite evening venues too.

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=318
In reply to remus:

> crag requested - Split Rock (milton hill quarry)


Now transferred

Alan
In reply to Ian McNeill:

> Crag Available

> Craig y Aderyn (Bird Rock)

> no longer living in the area .. I'm now in the north east .... of England

Now removed.

For reference of others - you can remove yourself as moderator by clicking the 'Stop being a Moderator' button at the base of the crag moderation page.

Alan
In reply to craig h:

> I'd be happy to adopt Pule Hill, all the hard works been done by you anyway. Cheers for keeping it up to date. One of my favorite evening venues too.


Now transferred.

Alan
submariner - on 30 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag requested: The Brander

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=166
Nik Jennings - on 31 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:
I've removed myself from moderating duties for Orihuela as a change in circumstances means I'll not be visiting the area as often as I thought in the future. So that is up for grabs..

Could I take over the chasms on the Isle of Man from Jimmy56 please? I don't know how to get a link to the crag as I'm on the wife's iPad and have no idea how to paste links etc.
Just worked it out, can take this over please:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9714
Post edited at 11:00
Adam Russell - on 31 Dec 2013
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag Available:
Inbhirpollaidh Rock Gym
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10388
In reply to Nik Jennings:

> Could I take over the chasms on the Isle of Man from Jimmy56 please?
> http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9714

Ok, switched that. It was in reasonably good shape mind.

Alan
In reply to submariner:

> Crag requested: The Brander


Switched.
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Nik Jennings - on 01 Jan 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Thanks Alan. The information on there was in reasonable shape as you say but there are a fair number of routes and sectors missing from the listing.
andrewmcleod - on 05 Jan 2014
In reply to andrewmcleod:

> Crag Requested - Steeple Cove


> I know it's only a silly bit of esoterica with two routes, but it currently has two Lakes winter routes in it for some reason, and I would like to clean it up a bit. I also recently acquired a copy of the South Devon and Dartmoor guidebook and should put it to good use :P

I have emailed the moderator for this crag, but haven't got a response - I don't think he is still active, any chance I could be added?
In reply to andrewmcleod:

> I have emailed the moderator for this crag, but haven't got a response - I don't think he is still active, any chance I could be added?

Switched

Alan
Laramadness - on 13 Jan 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Sorry to add another one so late. Noticed that Pereille (Ariege) also could do with a sort out, and I'm happy to moderate this as I doubt anyone else goes there as much as I do! Note also this is nothing to do with Lavelanet and would be best named Pereille (some routes are in the Gorges de Pereille - bird restricted, would add as a buttress name) and there is a small crag in the village.
Cheers, Graham
dannyboy83 - on 13 Jan 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Ok so I have the following crags available to a new moderator:

- Margalef - ALL routes from the 2012 local guide have been added but due to the rapidly developing crags there are many more routes. You'd need a very up-to-date guide to moderate this.

- Vilanova de Prades-Camping - ALL rockfax routes have been added so you'd need to local guide to moderate it

- Gorges du Tarn - I've lost my guide so can't sort it out. Is quite a mess currently so may take some time!

Thanks,
Dan
HeMa on 13 Jan 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag Request:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2596
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9976
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2593
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2598
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2597


Korouoma region in Finland seems to be a mess.


There are two regions called KOROUOMA in the bd. One of them needs to be removed. Also there is one crag called Korouoma http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9976
Which lists all the different icefalls as simply one route.

So some sort of work needs to be done. Either add all icefalls as "buttresses" on the Korouoma -page and then have the individual (normal lines) as climbs there. Or go with the Area KOROUOMA and all individual icefalls are separate crags.

I can volenteer to sort these out.


Lastly there is an empty Korouoma, that can be removed:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19938
Callum_Johnson - on 13 Jan 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

This crag should be deleted: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3735 as it is a duplicate of Clach an Fhion (same location on map) which is a more accurate name (to OS maps) and is more up to date.
In reply to Laramadness:

> Sorry to add another one so late. Noticed that Pereille (Ariege) also could do with a sort out, and I'm happy to moderate this as I doubt anyone else goes there as much as I do! Note also this is nothing to do with Lavelanet and would be best named Pereille (some routes are in the Gorges de Pereille - bird restricted, would add as a buttress name) and there is a small crag in the village.

I have switched the moderator. I have left the crag as named since that matches the RF guidebook.

Alan

In reply to HeMa:

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2597

Transferred all those to you. They were in a mess - not even marked on the maps!

> There are two regions called KOROUOMA in the bd. One of them needs to be removed. Also there is one crag called Korouoma http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9976
> Which lists all the different icefalls as simply one route.
> So some sort of work needs to be done. Either add all icefalls as "buttresses" on the Korouoma -page and then have the individual (normal lines) as climbs there. Or go with the Area KOROUOMA and all individual icefalls are separate crags.

Don't quite follow this but I have got rid of the duplicate areas and the repeated crag.

Thanks

Alan
In reply to Callum_Johnson:

> This crag should be deleted: as it is a duplicate of Clach an Fhion (same location on map) which is a more accurate name (to OS maps) and is more up to date.

Ok that has now been done - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=11412

Cheers

Alan
HeMa on 14 Jan 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:
> Transferred all those to you. They were in a mess - not even marked on the maps!

It seems that the following pages were not handed over:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2598
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2596
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2597

> Don't quite follow this but I have got rid of the duplicate areas and the repeated crag.

Thank you, I'll sort out the entries.

Henkka
HeMa on 14 Jan 2014
In reply to HeMa:
Whops, seems like the moderator was not refreshed (or I had it cashed). So now ok.
Post edited at 12:05
Jon Read - on 14 Jan 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag duplication in database.
La Guignoterie #1 http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2145
Guignoterie #2 http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=17797

My fault, couldn't find #1 in database map search. Crag description (especially location/department) in #2 are more accurate.
dannyboy83 - on 14 Jan 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

More duplicates to be deleted:

Devils Barn - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=433
Northcott - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=11122
In reply to Jon Read:

> My fault, couldn't find #1 in database map search. Crag description (especially location/department) in #2 are more accurate.

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=17797

Number 2 now the only version.

Alan
In reply to dannyboy83:

> More duplicates to be deleted:
> Devils Barn -
> Northcott -

I think I have done that. It is handy when quoting duplicates to quote both versions since it is quite hard to find the crag they are a duplicate of sometimes.

Cheers
Alan
rlrs on 14 Jan 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Previously requested via email to logbook editor, probably missed in the Xmas rush ;-): Please merge my below 3 crags as "Brig" with the sector A crag details.

Brig Sector A: Bitschji
Brig Sector B: Trämul
Brig Sector D: Guide

Richard.
In reply to rlrs:

> Previously requested via email to logbook editor, probably missed in the Xmas rush ;-): Please merge my below 3 crags as "Brig" with the sector A crag details.

> Brig Sector A: Bitschji

> Brig Sector B: Trämul

> Brig Sector D: Guide

Now done.

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=11445

Please post links for crags you wish to combine or delete. Thanks

Alan
HeMa on 15 Jan 2014
Rachel Somerville - on 15 Jan 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Very happy to hand over the crags I'm down as moderator for in Morocco and Tenerife to anyone who wants them. I only took them on to add some routes when I went there on holiday.
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Big Lee - on 15 Jan 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

These crags all need combining:

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9192
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2881
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2854

Correct spelling is 'Aiguille de Blaitière'. Some routes duplicated in the above links. Happy to moderate and sort out or otherwise.
In reply to Big Lee:

Now combined and renamed - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2881

Alan
In reply to Rachel Somerville:

> Very happy to hand over the crags I'm down as moderator for in Morocco and Tenerife to anyone who wants them. I only took them on to add some routes when I went there on holiday.

Hi Rachel. You can just un-volunteer from these if you wish using the link at the base of the crag page.

Alan
jon on 15 Jan 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Hi Alan,
This crag (route) http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19512 needs merging into the Perrons http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9828
In reply to jon:

> This crag (route) needs merging into the Perrons http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9828

Hi Jon

Now moved and other crag deleted.

Alan
dannyboy83 - on 17 Jan 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Hi Alan, I have quite a few more crags to be deleted:

- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=15739
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2160
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3380
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3381
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2161
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10168
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10169
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10170

These are all duplicates and included within Paklenica Gorge (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2103)


Kal-Koritnica (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10988) is a duplicate of Kal-Kortinicia (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10681). The information is better for Kal-Kortinicia but the name is incorrect. It should be Kal-Koritnica.

Trenta (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10680) is a duplicate of Pri Plajerju (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19735).

Pri Zvikarju (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19734) is a duplicate of Pri Žvikarju (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10989).

Kamnik B (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=16872) is included within Kamnik A (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=16871). It should just be called Kamnik also.

Illinac (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8922) is a duplicate of Ilinac (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=17851)


-Animal House (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3622)
-Baby Parking (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=17304)
-Canneland (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2093)
-Cartoonia (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=18674)
-Castilandia (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19112)
-Chemical Area (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3621)
-Chinatown (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3620)
-Il Routino (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=17305)

These are all included within Domusnovas Area (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1762)


Isili Area (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3627) is a duplicate of Isili (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1760)

I Tornanti/Aguaplano (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3156) is included within Tornanti (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19871) and Aguaplano (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19870).

Calamosca (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3728) is a duplicate of Cala Fighera (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3729)


-Chironico (Deliverance) (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8591)
-Chironico (Doctor Med) (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8593)
-Chironico (Freak Brothers) (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8592)

These are all included within Chironico (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3879).

San Gottardo Boulders (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9129) is a duplicate of Gotthard Pass (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=12210)



dannyboy83 - on 17 Jan 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Sorry for the length of message, an email might have been better!

thanks,
Dan
Graeme Hammond - on 19 Jan 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

just looking at crags in the lake district and noticed

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=11470

looks to be a duplicate of this crag:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1851

(I AM NOT WANTING TO BE THE MODERATOR)
SteveRi - on 20 Jan 2014
Minor niggle about Harmer's Wood. I posted a description and photo of a missing problem (doubtless not new). First it was added to the database in the wrong quarry, then moved, then deleted and replaced by something likely covering same problem but with no description or location. Confused. Reluctant to moan at voluntary effort (just been shifting a ton of correspondence over a race I help with as it goes) but what's there now is less useful :)

In reply to dannyboy83:

Phew, sorted those. Thanks for the detailed links.

Alan
In reply to Graeme Hammond:

Sorted.

Alan
funsized on 22 Jan 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag Not Well Moderated

Southampton Uni Boulders, http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=11337

Please can you delete the above crag, I created as a resource/experimenting to go with an indoor bouldering room, but its a waste of space. Please delete it.
Steve Crowe - on 25 Jan 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Alquezar is the correct spelling. http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3892

alquesar is the same place so it could be merged with the above http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=12250


dannyboy83 - on 25 Jan 2014
In reply to Steve Crowe:

Sorry Alan, I have a collection of crags currently sitting in the north sea that could do with being deleted. The following 15 crags have nothing that needs to be transferred to other crags so I havn't put in the duplicate details.

- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19801
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9138
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19803
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19802
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19864
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=15859
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=17173
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10101
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2884
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10052
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=11729
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19805
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2809
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=17713
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19804

The next 6 crags have photos associated with them so I've included the duplicate crags.

- Collegats Sector Cine (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=18580) is a duplocate of http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=15631
- Aiguille des Grands Montets (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2875) is a duplocate of http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9193
- Paroi des Toits (Sugiton) (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=15921) is included within http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20024
- Balazuc (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1930) is a duplocate of http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2774
- Cala Spinosa (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8419) is a duplocate of http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9658
- El Cogullo (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2981) is a duplocate of http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=12101

Thanks,
Dan
dannyboy83 - on 27 Jan 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Also in the Calanques, the routes at Port Miou (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19863) are included within http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=17174

There are many routes that have been dumped here (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2059) but I've now split up the Calanques into its different areas. This could do with being deleted but there are quite a few logs on here.
robbo157 - on 27 Jan 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag Available

Jetty Crag
Tom Last - on 27 Jan 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

This crag 'Lanti Bay' http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10134 is a duplicate of 'Lantic Bay' here http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10135

The former needs to be deleted.

Cheers.
sikcby - on 29 Jan 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag Requested:

Hi Alan, my name is Antonio I´m from Madrid and I would like, if possible, to give a hand to clean a bit the Pedriza Crag Map:

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2661

And I think this one should be deleted:

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=12122


I´ve been climbing in Pedriza for a while and I think that this crag map needs much more information to be added and corrected in it.

The problem with Pedriza is that is quite big, and the crags inside this National Park are quite far away from each other; ones can be reached in less than 30 mins walking from the car park and others would require more than 2 hours of steep walking, so I think it haves to be done a cleaning and organization of the climbs in order to make it a bit more easy to understand and use the information provided by this UKC map, so maybe more people can have an idea of how big this granite slab paradise is, and will encourage them to come to visit it, without getting lost in the process.

I think I know Pedriza well enough to be able to moderate this crag, also I know a lot of people who have been climbing there for years so I´ll be able to get well contrasted information about this park.

Thank you very much.

Kind regards.

Antonio.
In reply to Steve Crowe:

Now merged and routes sorted.

Alan
In reply to dannyboy83:

Done all those. There still seems to be a mysterious island in the north sea with loads of good cragging - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2898

They also all appear to be your crags. Is there something going wrong in the upload process?

Alan
ads.ukclimbing.com
In reply to dannyboy83:

> There are many routes that have been dumped here (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2059) but I've now split up the Calanques into its different areas. This could do with being deleted but there are quite a few logs on here.

That is a bit of nightmare actually. If someone with knowledge can group them into buttresses, or unique UKC crags, then I can move them. As they stand it would be hours of work for me to split them all. I have changed the crag listing to try and stop it growing.

Alan
In reply to Tom Last:

> This crag 'Lanti Bay' is a duplicate of 'Lantic Bay' here http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10135

Now sorted.

Alan
peteJ23 - on 30 Jan 2014
In reply to peteJ23:

Further to my post mid december

Crookstones http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1564

needs to be merged with

Hellifield http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=17125

so I can sort out duplicates

Pete
Big Lee - on 30 Jan 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Just noticed that all my logbook entries that were formally on the L'Abri Cotier crag page have been deleted during the merger/creation of the Morgiou crag page. Surely there wasn't the need to merge all these crags into one if it meant deleting everybody's log entries in the process?
dannyboy83 - on 30 Jan 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Hi Alan,

I could sort arrange the climbs in the calanques into the different areas to make it easier for you.

And yes sorry about the mysterious island...hope nobody tries to paddle out there! Just helps me to remember which ones need to be deleted.

cheers
In reply to Big Lee:

> Just noticed that all my logbook entries that were formally on the L'Abri Cotier crag page have been deleted during the merger/creation of the Morgiou crag page. Surely there wasn't the need to merge all these crags into one if it meant deleting everybody's log entries in the process?

That is surprising. Whenever we delete a crag it won't allow us to delete it without assigning a new crag to move the ticks to.

Are you 100% sure that these logbook ticks have been deleted?

Alan
In reply to dannyboy83:

> I could sort arrange the climbs in the calanques into the different areas to make it easier for you.

That would be handy.

Alan
Big Lee - on 30 Jan 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:
Yes definitely. L'Abri Cotier was a separate crag until last time I looked, which was well moderated and perfectly adequate. Now it is part of this crag, which is more of a collection of crags:

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20023

A lot of the routes probably had double figures for in the logbook as the crag is fairly popular. Some of the routes are also on this crag page so guessing it is related (logbook ticks also missing from these climbs):

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2059
Post edited at 12:18
In reply to Big Lee:

Ok, this shouldn't be possible. We can look into it further but it would be better if you could give us a few routes which you are certain had logbook ticks before we did the latest crag combining, and which don't now.

Cheers

Alan
danimal - on 30 Jan 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

I am moderater of exmouth expect it is miss spelled.
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=16803
Big Lee - on 30 Jan 2014
In reply to Big Lee:

Have you re-added those log ticks then?

We are looking into the back-ups to see where it might have gone wrong. Pin-pointing a date when these disappeared is difficult though.

Alan
Big Lee - on 30 Jan 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Yes, I re-added this morning. I can't give the you original links as the crag no longer exists.
mark20 - on 03 Feb 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Is there a way to re-set votes on grades and stars?
eg When a grade changes from a V grade to a font grade, the graph shows no votes and users who had previously voted for V grades can't vote again on the grade because they 'have already voted'.
dannyboy83 - on 03 Feb 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

OK so here's the next batch of duplicates to be deleted! The first set don't have any routes/photos to be transferred:

- Tre Frati (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9575)
- Bric Grigio (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=15726)
- Easy Dalle (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19246)
- Erboristeria (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=15826)
- Pizzo Cassandra (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=16484&refresh=7723)
- Vallon du Passet (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20061)
- Summit ridge (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=16793)

The following need routes moving to other crags:

- Telematica (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19036) should be deleted and routes moved to Castell Bianco, Albenga (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=15869)
- Terminal (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=15868) should be deleted and routes also moved to
(http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=15869)
- Rocca Della Basura (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19037) should be deleted and routes also moved to (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=15869)
- Bausu (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19035) should be deleted and routes also moved to (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=15869)
- Envers de Blatiere (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2898) should be deleted and routes moved to Envers des Aiguilles (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10511)
- Ginzling Zillertal By the Way (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10569) should be deleted and routes moved to Bergstation (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19394)
- Dent du Géant (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=15467) should be deleted and routes moved to Dent du Geant (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=15467)
- Hellerud - Trasopp (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10380) should be deleted and routes moved to Hellerud Bouldering (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20071)
- Hellerud - Flimplaneten (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10974) should be deleted and routes also moved to Hellerud Bouldering (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20071)
- Hellerud - Stalker (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10379) should be deleted and routes also moved to Hellerud Bouldering (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20071)
- Aiguille de Bionnassay (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=15453) should be deleted and routes moved to Aiguille du Bionnassay (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2372)
- Dome du Chapeau (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2046) should be deleted and routes moved to le Chapeau (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=17570&refresh=2924)


Both Finale Ligure (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9701) and Italy - Finale (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3394) have no routes but photos and not sure where these should go as finale is split into separate areas.

Also if you provide me with moderating powers of http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2059 I can split these routes into the different areas of the Calanques.

thanks,
dan
Jonny2vests - on 03 Feb 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Improvement request:

When a climb is deleted, and you are taken to the move ticks page, the drop down list of climbs is not sorted alphabetically. It would be a great help if they were, especially for big crags like the Squamish Chief.
In reply to Jonny2vests:

> When a climb is deleted, and you are taken to the move ticks page, the drop down list of climbs is not sorted alphabetically. It would be a great help if they were, especially for big crags like the Squamish Chief.

I can do that one quickly. There is a little option next to the menu which sorts it by 'Name' if you select that box.

Alan
In reply to mark20:

I'll add a function to convert a boulder problem from Font to V grades and visa versa.
Jonny2vests - on 03 Feb 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Ahh, Ok.
In reply to Jonny2vests:
How about keeping it in crag order but make it look for the same name and have it auto-select that.

If it can't match one itself then it could fall back to show them alphabetically?
Post edited at 18:19
ads.ukclimbing.com
In reply to Jonny2vests:

Hi Jon,

That change is uploaded. If there are 2 climbs of the same name and you delete one that has ticks then it will auto-select the one for the ticks to be moved to. They have to be exactly the same name.

You can change the order of the list using the radio button to the right of the select list: Sort climbs - Left to Right or by Name
In reply to dannyboy83:

Hi Dan

Done those except the Finale ones. I would prefer Finale listed under one crag in the end and I suspect that is a better solution than trying to find the correct crag for each separate photo. We do have other single dump crags for photos but they tend to start picking up duplicate routes over time. If you give me a geographical list of the Finale Crags, I can move them buttress by buttress and then they should be in order.

I have made you moderator of the Calanques Orphan crag.

Thanks for this.

Alan
dannyboy83 - on 04 Feb 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

The finale crags by the very logical order within the latest guide are as follows:

- Caprazoppa
- Rocce dell'ora
- Paretina di Finalborgo
- Rocca di Perti
- Placca delle casa valle
- Antonio
- Bric Scimarco
- Monte Sordo
- Paretina di pian marino
- Bric del frate
- Valle Aquila
- Bric Pianarella
- Bric Spaventaggi
- Monte Cucco
- Rian Cornei
- Val di Nava
- Bastionata di Boragni
- Rocca degli Uccelli
- La Crema
- Rocca di Corno
- Le Manie
- Capo Noli

If you put them all in http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9701, I can do the rest. I think thats well over 2000 routes so will surely make finale one of the largest crags on the database!

dannyboy83 - on 04 Feb 2014
Fiend - on 04 Feb 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Hey Alan could you give Pedriza to Antonio / sikcby as he requested - I can vouch for him as knowing the area well, and there's a lot of work that could be done to show off this pretty special destination.
In reply to dannyboy83:

> If you put them all in http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9701, I can do the rest. I think thats well over 2000 routes so will surely make finale one of the largest crags on the database!

Is there a logical split?

ie. We have split Stanage into three sections to make it a little more manageable. There seem to be two distinct valleys plus a few crags nearer the town. Perhaps three areas?

Alan
Neil Foster - on 04 Feb 2014
In reply to dannyboy83:

> If you put them all in http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9701, I can do the rest. I think thats well over 2000 routes so will surely make finale one of the largest crags on the database!

It sounds like you already have a lot on your plate dannyboy, but would you be willing to sort out the Oltrafinale crags too.....

.....please?!

Neil
dannyboy83 - on 05 Feb 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Tricky one! There are 22 crags at the moment (definitely too many) for Finale, which in the guidebook have been divided into 12 main areas. If the crags around the town are grouped together, that gives 10 areas, the largest having around 700 routes. This would be my preference since it is quite a large area, but obviously open to your thoughts.

dan
dannyboy83 - on 05 Feb 2014
In reply to Neil Foster:

Hi Neil,

I'm slowly working my way round but yes I should be able to update the Oltrefinale crags soon!
In reply to dannyboy83:

I have moved the routes and photos and deleted that Calanques crag.

Alan
In reply to dannyboy83:

> Tricky one! There are 22 crags at the moment (definitely too many) for Finale, which in the guidebook have been divided into 12 main areas. If the crags around the town are grouped together, that gives 10 areas, the largest having around 700 routes. This would be my preference since it is quite a large area, but obviously open to your thoughts.

If the ten areas correspond to the local guidebook then we could do it that way. It works for the Calanques.

I assume all ten areas have different approach parking spots? There is some logic in having crags grouped by single parking spots in large complex areas (I am aware that this logic can't be applied everywhere).

Let me know the best combinations.

Alan
In reply to sikcby:

> Crag Requested:

> Hi Alan, my name is Antonio I´m from Madrid and I would like, if possible, to give a hand to clean a bit the Pedriza Crag Map:
> http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2661

Hi Antonio. Thanks for your help, I have now transferred that crag to you.

Alan
sikcby - on 07 Feb 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Thank you very much Alan, I´ll try to do my best.
Big Lee - on 08 Feb 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

This crag can be deleted:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2588

...and the climbs moved to this one:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2873

Cheers
dannyboy83 - on 10 Feb 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Dear Alan,

More work for you!

Crags to delete:

- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19374
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20095
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9491

Crags to delete and move climbs:

- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2042 and move climbs to http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=17514
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10193 and move climbs to http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20089
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8256 and move climbs to http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20089
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8273 and move climbs to http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20089
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8274 and move climbs to http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20089
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9554 and move climbs to http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20089
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10184 and move climbs to http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10184
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10954 and move climbs to http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20094
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10740 and move climbs to http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10199
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10908 and move climbs to http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10955
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=16713 and move climbs to http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8162
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2320 and move climbs to http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8162

thanks
dannyboy83 - on 13 Feb 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Hi Alan,

Ok just going to finish sorting out the Finale crags.

Please could you move the following crags:
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=16693 to Arene Candide (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20102)

- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20064, http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20065, http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9574, http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10335, http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10883, http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20066 all to Rocca Carpanea (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20103)

- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10334, http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9576 both to Valle Aquila (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20067)

- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19710, http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10336, http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20068 to Boragni e Val di Nava (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20104)

- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20069, http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3635 to Valle Sciusa e Valle Ponci (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20105)

Please could you also give me moderating powers for the following crags:
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10390
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3644
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3353
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3636
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10884

I shall sort these out and then hand over to Nicola Ciancaglini.

thankyou
dannyboy83 - on 13 Feb 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Also the the Gorges du Verdon (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2049) is a bit of a mess at the moment. Please could you move all the climbs and buttresses starting from sector 'Liz Taylor' and ending at 'La Plage' (sector La plage) to Barre de l'Escalès (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20119)

Thanks again,
dan
rlrs on 09 Mar 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crags Requested:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=17012
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=17013

Unchecked climbs and incomplete.
From his logbook, I would guess the current Moderator is too happily busy climbing in other parts of the globe to worry!
rlrs on 17 Mar 2014
In reply to rlrs:

Bump!
In reply to rlrs:

Yes, apologies. I am very busy with the peak Bouldering Rockfax. I have a note of these and will get round to them but it might not be for a week or so.

Alan
ads.ukclimbing.com
BelleVedere on 26 Mar 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag not well moderated

Seana Mheallan
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3915

lots of climbs in wrong buttress and missing climbs

(sorry don't have this guidebook or would volunteer)
Chris the Tall - on 27 Mar 2014
In reply to dannyboy83:


Capo Noli is now free for you to take over
I suspect the other 4 were all set up by me originally, and then I persuaded someone else to take over a few years later (I only have to Finale 2000 guidebook - ah what a cover !). So it's quite possible that the person I asked didn't really want the job in the first place ! realised that my guidebook was well out o
Chris the Tall - on 27 Mar 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Any idea when the long awaited software updates will be released ?

Am I going to get my frequently requested function to get all the data for all the updates in a single extract/view ?
rlrs on 28 Mar 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Don't worry, I've got them now directly from the ex-moderator!
Franco Cookson on 28 Mar 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:
Crag Not Well Moderated :
Highcliffe Nab
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1089
Roseberry Topping
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2306


Routes at in wrong order, wrong grades, no descriptions etc.
Post edited at 16:16
rlrs on 01 Apr 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Delete this crag "l'M":
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=16924

...which is an empty crag, and the proper crag entry exists for Aiguille de l'M.
rlrs on 01 Apr 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

There are two Zinalrothorns:

This one, unmoderated, with correct spelling and some routes and ticks and photos
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=15417

This one, moderated, with incorrect spelling and some routes and ticks and photos
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2107

Merge under the moderated crag, change its name?
Andysomething - on 02 Apr 2014
Crag Available
Hagg Wood
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2886

I thought I had Windmore End and Downholme Quarry but they don't appear in my profile.

jon on 04 Apr 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Alan, maybe nudge RichardMc to update the Dentelles as he said he would http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2064 No, I certainly don't want to do it but it needs doing.
In reply to dannyboy83:

Apologies for the delay. I have now done these except this one:

- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10184 and move climbs to http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10184

Which appears to be the same crag.

Alan
In reply to dannyboy83:

All done on the Finale crags.

Alan
In reply to Franco Cookson:

> Crag Not Well Moderated :
> Highcliffe Nab
> http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1089
> Roseberry Topping
> http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2306
> Routes at in wrong order, wrong grades, no descriptions etc.

Are you requesting these Franco?

Alan
Fiend - on 07 Apr 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

This:

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4166

Is a mistaken (not least because it's location is out by about 100 miles!) duplicate of:

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10060

Ta.
In reply to dannyboy83:

> Also the the Gorges du Verdon (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2049) is a bit of a mess at the moment. Please could you move all the climbs and buttresses starting from sector 'Liz Taylor' and ending at 'La Plage' (sector La plage) to Barre de l'Escalès (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20119)

I have done that as per all the instructions, except that it is a bit of a faff to move those 500 routes individually, and much easier to move the other routes after 'Do Not Move These Yet' to either a holding crag or a new crag for them. Then I can just deleted the crag and bulk move the 500 in one. Do you want to create a crag for the 'Do Not Move these yet' routes?

Alan
In reply to Fiend:

Sorted
Tyler - on 07 Apr 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

There's an overlap of routes on these two crags:

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=597


http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10535
Dave Williams - on 07 Apr 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag Requested

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2619

Crag info hasn't been updated since 2010 and two routes have been waiting to be checked by the moderator since June 2013. Many of the route grades are inaccurate and the whole crag could now do with updating.

With your agreement, I'm willing to take over as moderator. Thanks.
In reply to Tyler:

> There's an overlap of routes on these two crags:


Ok, that is Gogarth sorted. Apologies for those who just lost their crags but it needed properly combining. There are now two main Gogarth crags

North Stack and Main Wall - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=598

South Stack - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=612

Alan
Whealiebob - on 08 Apr 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Hi Alan,

I know it's only a minor crag, but can I take Chasecliffe from Pilch who hasn't updated it in years?

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3883

Cheers!
In reply to Whealiebob:

Now switched.

Alan
ads.ukclimbing.com
mrdigitaljedi - on 09 Apr 2014

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=798

Hi can i take over roaches skyline plz



In reply to mrdigitaljedi:

Now switched.

It is in good shape though. I just went through and synced it with the new Peak B Rockfax, which is pretty much synced with the BMC guide.


Alan
I was moderator myself for a number of crags usually during the period that we produce a guidebook. After that I am happy to pass them on so I have stopped being moderator for all the crags below. Anyone who thinks they can keep up with a bit of moderating, and has the relevant guidebooks is welcome to take them on.

Peak Crags
High Tor - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=119
Taddington - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=980

Costa Blanca Crags
Sella - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1688
Penon - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1697
Val de Guadar (Echo Valley) - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1691
Olta - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1696
Bellus - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1710
Cabezon de Oro - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1687

Lofoten - Might be better if one person takes on all these. There is virtually no moderating to do since people just do the guidebook routes.
Overdalen - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9029
Bare Blåbær - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9012
Djupfjord Buttress - The Two Faces Face - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10612
Eggum - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9011
Festvågveggen - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3047
Finnvika - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8992
Glamtinden - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4173
Kallebukta - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9028
Pianokrakken - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2591
Pillaren - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3048
Presten - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1938
Reine Slab - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4045
Rorvika - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9181
Sorfjellet - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10620
Sandvika - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8983
Svenskaveggen - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3952
Svolværgeita - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2319
Trollfestningen - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4172
Urdstabben - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8993
Vagakallen - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8877

Thanks

Alan


Franco Cookson on 09 Apr 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

I suppose so yeh. I don't mind who moderates them, but it'd be nice if important places like roseberry and highcliffe had up to date info. I don't think Luke comes on UKC much anymore.
In reply to Franco Cookson:

Now switched.

Alan
Franco Cookson on 10 Apr 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

wizard
MeMeMe - on 10 Apr 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

rice boy says he will take over moderating Druid's Altar from me (I never could make any sense of the lines on it despite living within walking distance of it).
dannyboy83 - on 17 Apr 2014
Legionreturns on 18 Apr 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

East Woodburn needs a bit of attention, last looked at in 2009 and stuff on there for a while
disturbed_one51 - on 18 Apr 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

the crags 'Remarkables' and 'the remarkables' in queenstown,otago New zealand need merging as they are the same place
Lee78 - on 18 Apr 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

I'm willing to moderate anything in CZ, especially in Moravia.

Crags which are on my doorstep are missing hundreds of routes.
In reply to MeMeMe:

> rice boy says he will take over moderating Druid's Altar from me (I never could make any sense of the lines on it despite living within walking distance of it).

I see you switched this yourselves.

For other's info: if you are in negotiation with a moderator you can pass the crag between yourselves by the current moderator removing themselves using the link on the crag page, and then the new moderator applying for the crag.

Cheers

Alan
In reply to dannyboy83:

Now deleted.

Cheers

Alan
In reply to Legionreturns:

> East Woodburn needs a bit of attention, last looked at in 2009 and stuff on there for a while

Are you offering to do this?

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=831

Alan
In reply to disturbed_one51:

> the crags 'Remarkables' and 'the remarkables' in queenstown,otago New zealand need merging as they are the same place

Now combined although the routes are not in any particular order now.

Alan
In reply to Lee78:

> I'm willing to moderate anything in CZ, especially in Moravia.

Are there any which have a moderator who isn't doing anything? If so let me know which ones and I can switch you. Otherwise you can just apply to be moderator on the crag itself.

Cheers

Alan
Lee78 - on 22 Apr 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Sloup, Zleby, Holstejn and Chriby - all in the South East, with no recent activity.
In reply to Lee78:

> Sloup, Zleby, Holstejn and Chriby - all in the South East, with no recent activity.

Sorry, but are you volunteering to moderate these?

Alan
Lee78 - on 23 Apr 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Yes, I'm happy to moderate these crags.
rlrs on 23 Apr 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Please merge these two crags in Utah under the combined name of "Pine Creek Canyon Tunnel Crags"

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=6893
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8373

Both names are used in different sources for the same cliffs, so best to combine.

Thanks,

Richard
ads.ukclimbing.com
Big Lee - on 26 Apr 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

I would happily moderate this crag (there's quite a lot of unverified routes):

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=404
dannyboy83 - on 01 May 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Dear Alan, here is the latest batch of crags to be removed and climbs/photos moved to the correct ones:

- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10309 and move photo to http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20023
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=17346 and move photo to http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20075
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2980 and move photos to http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3980
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10008 and move photos to http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20124

Morata de Jalon: Delete the following 9 crags and move all climbs to http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20121:

- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2117
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2116
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8861
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2119
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8866
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8863
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2118
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8865
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8864


- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=15863 and move climbs to http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=15862
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3637 and move climbs to http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20103
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9632 and move climbs to http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9799
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9875 and move climbs to http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9799
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8913 and move climbs to http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10050
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9939 and move climbs to http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9631
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9820 and move climbs to http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9631
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9178 and move climbs to http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10488
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8099 and move climbs to http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=17072
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=15597 and move climbs to http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20123
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2982 and move climbs to http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=15639
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9092 and move climbs to http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=16560
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10184 and move climbs to http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=18053

thanks,
dan
rlrs on 01 May 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Here's an empty/redundant crag to delete (summit buttress SCNL):
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=16465
In reply to Big Lee:

> I would happily moderate this crag (there's quite a lot of unverified routes):


Thanks. I have now added you to that one.

I have done those Czech crags yet because they all appear to have moderators who keep things up to date without adding new routes. Were you thinking of adding more routes/

Cheers

Alan
In reply to rlrs:

> Please merge these two crags in Utah under the combined name of "Pine Creek Canyon Tunnel Crags"

Now merged.

Alan
In reply to dannyboy83:

All those done now.

Alan
In reply to rlrs:

> Here's an empty/redundant crag to delete (summit buttress SCNL):

Done now

Alan

rlrs on 01 May 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

I've further tidied up the merged crag "Pine Creek Canyon Tunnel Crags":
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=6893

But now some of the routes need moving to the nearby crag "The Confluence" (just to the west, but around the corner and facing west, not really in the canyon anymore...):
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19030

The routes that need moving are those in my buttresses "The Confluence" and "Sub Peak of Bridge Mountain".

Im going off web info since my Utah guidebook doesn't have The Confluence, but this seems to be a reasonable division of the areas.

Richard


In reply to rlrs:

Done

Alan
mrdigitaljedi - on 04 May 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Hi alan can i take over Tryfan Fach plz

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=490
Sy Finch on 05 May 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Hi Alan,

May I put in a request to take over this crag:

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3839

Only a few routes have been added, with one of them being incorrect. I contacted the current moderator months ago to point out the mistake, yet no reply or change. I will be checking the crag out and would like to add the other routes.
andrewmcleod - on 09 May 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

This crag should probably be deleted:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=12322

It is just a duplicate of three routes of the correct crag (and it is listed in completely the wrong place).

(the correct crag is below:)
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=315
andrewmcleod - on 09 May 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

This one should probably go as well:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9390

Routes are already listed under:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=11891
Ean T - on 10 May 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Routes 79 to 89 at this crag:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2368

Should actually be merged with the routes here:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19310
Big Lee - on 17 May 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Any chance I could moderate these:

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2082
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8567

Loads of the trad routes are recorded as sport routes. Grades are not as per the latest guidebook. Would happily correct. Getting a bit tedious sending corrections for every route I climb. I am Oslo based.
Smelly Fox - on 19 May 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Hi Alan,

Could you please let me moderate Lower Glen Lednock

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19696

I was there today, between us we ticked the crag. At the moment the crag seems to be left unchecked on here.

Cheers

Trist
In reply to Smelly Fox:

Done, thanks for the help with the database.
dannyboy83 - on 30 May 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Dear Alan,

I have another batch of duplicate routes/crags to remove:

- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=17569 delete and move climbs to: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3176
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9886 delete and move climbs to: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=12019
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=18109 delete and move climbs to: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10724
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8412 delete and move climbs to: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20110
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2947 delete and move climbs to: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9442
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=12456 delete and move climbs to: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8877
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=12457 delete and move climbs to: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9028
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4045 delete and move climbs to: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20172
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4064 delete and move climbs to: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=18761
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4063 delete and move climbs to: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=18761
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=16869 delete and move climbs to: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20307
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4256 delete and move climbs to: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20718
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2996 delete and move climbs to: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8632
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4213 delete and move climbs to: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=12202
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10324 delete and move climbs to: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20022
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2995 delete and move climbs to: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20733
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19443 delete and move photo to http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=11572

- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2540 move climbs 2-9 to http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=18056. Climb 11 belongs here: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=17609

Delete:
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19776

thanks
dannyboy83 - on 30 May 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Also, when I add a new crag, there are a number of countries missing on the list. Is there a way of adding these in? I can't seem to find a way!
the_liquorice_man on 30 May 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

I was involved in a quite a few of the problems at Greetwell Quarry, Lincoln, when it was explored by a few of us a couple of years ago. Although only a tiny crag I notice they could do with re-arranging. I don't live there anymore but would like to have a go at it?

Matt
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In reply to Sy Finch:

> Hi Alan,

> May I put in a request to take over this crag:


Sorted. Sorry for the delay in replying.

Alan
In reply to andrewmcleod:

> This crag should probably be deleted:

> It is just a duplicate of three routes of the correct crag (and it is listed in completely the wrong place).

Sorted. Sorry for the delay in replying.

Alan
In reply to Ean T:

> Routes 79 to 89 at this crag:

> Should actually be merged with the routes here:


Okay, merged. That one doesn't have a moderator at present.

Alan
In reply to dannyboy83:

Looks like Paul beat me to that one.

Alan
dannyboy83 - on 03 Jun 2014
In reply to dannyboy83:

Okay,all sorted now. Not sure what happened with that first lot.

Alan
rlrs on 03 Jun 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Still 2 to delete in the North Sea graveyard:

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9701
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3394
In reply to rlrs:

> Still 2 to delete in the North Sea graveyard:



I need the 'move to' crags for those first I think

Alan
rlrs on 04 Jun 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

There are only photos to move, break links of?!

I don't know these areas/crags myself, so I'm not too interested, but:

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9701
"Finale Ligure" is defined as an area with several crags already, no need for a crag called this?!

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3394
Some evidence in the photos of a defined via ferrata, quick searches don't yield more info for me.

As you like!
Ken Applegate - on 04 Jun 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

This crag needs deleting, as the sector is already included as part of another crag:

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19146
Ken Applegate - on 04 Jun 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:
Is there any chance of having a bulk or batch add feature for adding new climbs? The guidebooks for quite a few of the sports climbing crags I'm moderating (and have yet to add climbs to UKC database) don't have much in the way of additional info, only the route name, grade, height and possibly a notes column, displayed in tables, so copying that info onto a single uploading page would be far quicker than entering each climb individually. (A similar system to being able to tick and add multiple climbs to your logbook, from the same crag, in one go)
Post edited at 23:05
the_liquorice_man on 05 Jun 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Sorry, don't think I said in my first post: Crag Requested - Greetwell Quarry, Lincoln (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=12366)

I was involved in a quite a few of the problems at when it was explored by a few of us a couple of years ago. Although only a tiny crag I notice they could do with re-arranging. I don't live there anymore but would like to have a go at it?
In reply to Ken Applegate:

> Is there any chance of having a bulk or batch add feature for adding new climbs?

Do you mean like this one - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/uploadclimbs.html

Alan
In reply to the_liquorice_man:

> Sorry, don't think I said in my first post: Crag Requested - Greetwell Quarry, Lincoln (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=12366)

Switched although, to be fair, the previous moderator wasn't doing a bad job.

Alan
Ken Applegate - on 05 Jun 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

That will the be it, thanks!
MaranaF - on 06 Jun 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag Requested

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3616

In reply to MaranaF:

Now added.

Thanks

Alan
MaranaF - on 09 Jun 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Thank you, now to bring it up to date!
Smelly Fox - on 16 Jun 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Hi guys,

The following crags are needing some work, grades not current and routes in wrong order etc. Could you please transfer them over to me and I'll sort them out.

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2869
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9888

Thanks

Trist
Creedence on 19 Jun 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

More than happy to take over this one:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1005

Updates to it no longer seem to be accepted.

Thanks,
Colin Moody - on 22 Jun 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

These are the same, the first one needs deleted.

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9033

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8935
Ian Jones on 22 Jun 2014
In reply to Fultonius:

I will take all the Mingulay crags.

Ian Jones
LakesWinter on 23 Jun 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

I'll sort out Pillar, update grades etc and put the newer routes in the right place
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=519
In reply to Creedence:

> More than happy to take over this one:


> Updates to it no longer seem to be accepted.

Switched.

Alan
In reply to Colin Moody:

Sorted
In reply to LakesWinter:

> I'll sort out Pillar, update grades etc and put the newer routes in the right place


Switched.

Alan
lithos on 24 Jun 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2935

someone seems to have got confused with ... there are routes on the later (airlift, satchmo..) that are at

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/c.php?i=37172
LakesWinter on 24 Jun 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Thanks
Simon Caldwell - on 25 Jun 2014
Route Adjuster on 27 Jun 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:
CRAG Requested - Bramcrag Quarry - Threlkeld

Many new routes have been added here in the last couple of years and old ones retro-bolted. Some of these have been added to the list but have been waiting for moderator approval for months. If the current moderator is not active I would happily take this crag on as I have been making regular visits over last couple of years and will be continuing to do so.
Post edited at 13:20
Cheese Monkey - on 30 Jun 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

I'm going to tidy up the crags around Waterval Boven - South Africa and list everything according to the guide. It's a right state so going to take a while
Cheese Monkey - on 30 Jun 2014
HeMa on 01 Jul 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Could you kindly rename http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2973 (Hopiavouri) to Hopiavuori.
In reply to Route Adjuster:

Transferred - Bramcrag Quarry - Threlkeld

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=441
In reply to Cheese Monkey:

Ok, I have moved all those and put them under buttress headers. There is some sorting to do there though with all the duplicates.

Really appreciate anything you can do with this crag.

Alan
In reply to HeMa:

> Could you kindly rename http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2973 (Hopiavouri) to Hopiavuori.

Both look the same to me. Is there a difference there which has got lost in strange characters being ignored?

Alan
In reply to Simon Caldwell and Lithos:

Sorted that lot.

Alan
dave657 on 01 Jul 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

O and the U the wrong way round it appears.
HeMa on 01 Jul 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Dave657 is spot on. So simply copy-paste the new name here:
Hopiavuori


TIA.
Ben1983 - on 01 Jul 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

I'm giving up Daddyhole Main Cliff. I've updated it now, but it has seen some recent development and I don't live in the area - better if it was one of the local activists really. If it doesn't get taken up within a few months, I'll re-register myself....
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Cheese Monkey - on 01 Jul 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Everything is listed and correct for Wonderland! One thing left for you

This is a duplicate
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8667

Needs merging into
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=21010
Cheese Monkey - on 01 Jul 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Also is there anyway to incorporate the 5 star system used in SA to these crags? I can upload the climbs in a file using 5 stars but thats the only way
Colin Moody - on 01 Jul 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

This should be removed as it is in the wrong place.

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20927

And it is the same as this

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2938
In reply to Cheese Monkey:

Done. They are under the MOVED CLIMBS Buttress divider.

Alan
In reply to Cheese Monkey:

> Also is there anyway to incorporate the 5 star system used in SA to these crags? I can upload the climbs in a file using 5 stars but thats the only way

Unfortunately no there isn't. I am also very keen not to get into a five star system if possible.

If you are doing a bulk upload, could you do a global change before uploading of 4/5 stars to 3 stars, 2/3 stars to 2 stars, and 1 star to 1 star?

Cheers

Alan
In reply to Colin Moody:

Removed.

Alan
Tom Last - on 06 Jul 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Hi Alan.

Could you transfer Aire Point to me please?

The crag is incomplete, half the routes are at a completely different crag, all in the wrong order etc.

Cheers.
Mark Kemball - on 06 Jul 2014
In reply to Tom Last:

I was just about to put Aire Point on the list- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=665 went there today for the first time, lovely little crag, but it needs sorting, and Tom is the man. (I was going to offer, but he is much more the local.)
rlrs on 13 Jul 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Please can you merge the following three crags, and call the resulting crag "Miéville"

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=11359
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=11360
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20843

This will be better aligned with the guidebooks.

I have recorded the existing crag details, so don't worry about keeping these.

Thanks!
Graeme Hammond - on 13 Jul 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

went to Pots and Pans Quarry recently and willing to sort out the log book

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=943
Fiend - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

The moderators for:
Burnt Crag http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=366
Iron Crag http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=446
Gruinard Crag http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8844
Reecastle http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=742
Tollie Crag http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=775
Creag Nan Luch http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10145

Could do with getting off their fat arses and actually put some submitted route descriptions on the route pages.
In reply to rlrs:

> Please can you merge the following three crags, and call the resulting crag "Miéville"


> This will be better aligned with the guidebooks.

> I have recorded the existing crag details, so don't worry about keeping these.

> Thanks!

I have merged these - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=11360

Cheers

Alan
In reply to Graeme Hammond:

> went to Pots and Pans Quarry recently and willing to sort out the log book


Done
Andy Moles - on 17 Jul 2014
rlrs on 17 Jul 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:


Ideally just "Miéville" for the name, please, with the accent, not Mieville (Pissevache)!

Thanks

Richard
rlrs on 17 Jul 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Hold on a second, the lower reaches of the sport grades just got changed to 5a,5b,5c...and then 5b again (I guess you have to correct that?!) from the old 5/5+. Did I miss something? A good step, but to be complete you might need 5b+ and even 5a+ as well. 5b+ is fairly common in the Plaisir guides.
Simon Caldwell - on 24 Jul 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Rocky Valley could do with sorting, and the moderator's not been around for years, I'd be happy to make a start
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1069
Willi Crater - on 28 Jul 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Can I have Diarizos (temporarily)? Since the (apparent) change to how 5/5+ works a whole bunch of route grades are wrong.
Stuart S - on 28 Jul 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Yeah, what's with the change from 5/5+ to 5a/5c? All the guides I have to sport climbing areas I moderate (SMC and Rockfax) use 5 and 5+ so why the need to change to a system that's out of sync with the guidebooks?
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LakesWinter on 28 Jul 2014
In reply to Stuart S:

It's common practice in France and Switzerland to differentiate 5a-5c though
In reply to Andy Moles:

Ok, sorted. The text may need a bit of an edit.

Alan
In reply to Simon Caldwell:

Switched. Thanks Simon.

Alan
In reply to Stuart S:

> Yeah, what's with the change from 5/5+ to 5a/5c? All the guides I have to sport climbing areas I moderate (SMC and Rockfax) use 5 and 5+ so why the need to change to a system that's out of sync with the guidebooks?

We will do an auto grade change later today or tomorrow. At the moment all grade 5 routes have been given 5a and all 5+ routes have been given 5c. Paul is going to do something clever with the voting later on and shovel a bunch of routes into the 5b bracket based on grade voting. This also applies to grade 4 and 4+ routes.

No need to worry about Rockfax guide routes, we will take care of them and gradually shift our system over the the extra subdivision. For other areas you will just have to make a best guess. I think there are more areas now that use a full a, b, c system so it is better to have it working that way than the other way round.

We won't be using a + system on the lower grades though even though some guidebooks do.

Alan
Simon Caldwell - on 28 Jul 2014
In reply to Stuart S:

In the last 5 years or so it's become more common to use not just 5a/b/c, but also the equivalent + grades. It may just be coincidence but all the destinations I've been to in recent years have the + grades.
Stuart S - on 28 Jul 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Fair enough - it'll make moderating a wee bit more awkward for me since the SMC Scottish Sport Climbs guide has stuck with 5/5+ and 4/4+, and this change will introduce extra grades, but sounds like the SMC approach is in the minority.

Remember that there are also routes currently graded 3 and 3+ which presumably will need changed to 3a/b/c (one my my crags currently has routes now graded 5c, 5a, 4c, 4a, 3+ and 3).
In reply to Stuart S:

> Fair enough - it'll make moderating a wee bit more awkward for me since the SMC Scottish Sport Climbs guide has stuck with 5/5+ and 4/4+, and this change will introduce extra grades, but sounds like the SMC approach is in the minority.

> Remember that there are also routes currently graded 3 and 3+ which presumably will need changed to 3a/b/c (one my my crags currently has routes now graded 5c, 5a, 4c, 4a, 3+ and 3).

We aren't planning on sub-dividing the 3/3+ grade at present (if ever).

Alan
In reply to Simon Caldwell:

> In the last 5 years or so it's become more common to use not just 5a/b/c, but also the equivalent + grades. It may just be coincidence but all the destinations I've been to in recent years have the + grades.


Well we aren't going to go into this level of subdivision. It will be impossible for us to accommodate all grading systems so people will just have to approximate when it comes down to that level.

There are some areas which use the grad 7a/b although I have never worked out if that is harder or easier than 7a+. I even saw a 7a/b+ in one guidebook.

Alan
jon on 28 Jul 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:
I've always taken it to mean that some people have found it to be 7a and some 7b - rather than 7a+. Routes that are height dependant, for instance, often seem to fall into this category. And then of course there are the folk that DO use 7a/b as 7a+ which totally confuses things...

PS, did you ever nudge RichardMc about the Dentelles - it's eight months now since he promised to put the database right?
Post edited at 11:16
Monk - on 28 Jul 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Is it possible to merge duplicate crags so that ticks aren't lost? I moderate the Ring Road boulders in Bristol but one section is duplicated at two crags. Would it be possible to merge this crag http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8699 into the main crag page http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8724?

The only problem is that there are 5 problems with ticks in both databases. Is it possible to merge them?
Tyler - on 28 Jul 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

I've just noticed that the Idwal Cortge Crags descriptions have been copied word for word fro the NW bouldering guide. Also Bristly ridge appears twice under Glyder Fach
net on 28 Jul 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag Requested: Please could I take over Long Scar, Wrynose? http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1615
chris fox on 29 Jul 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

I've emailed the moderator for Berdorf regarding incorrect information and have neither received a reply or seen an amendment.
Steve Perry - on 29 Jul 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH: For anyone interested I've just taken on the Latheronwheel page and hopefully within the next week I'll get it into crag order, add any missing routes, upgrade grades and generally tidy it up a bit. I've also got some updated info pending from local climber Rob Christie.

In reply to Monk:

> Is it possible to merge duplicate crags so that ticks aren't lost? I moderate the Ring Road boulders in Bristol but one section is duplicated at two crags. Would it be possible to merge this crag ??? into the main crag page http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8724?

> The only problem is that there are 5 problems with ticks in both databases. Is it possible to merge them?

Yes, you can do this. First you contact us to get the crags merged, then you can delete the duplicates one by one and choose a route to merge it to. That moves the logbook ticks and comments. We are just at this moment using your crag to test moving the votes across as well which previously got deleted from the deleted route.

So I have merged your crags and left four duplicates there for Paul to test on. Please leave them for the time being.

Alan
In reply to Tyler:

> I've just noticed that the Idwal Cortge Crags descriptions have been copied word for word fro the NW bouldering guide. Also Bristly ridge appears twice under Glyder Fach

Well those descriptions are pretty terse but if there is a problem then I am sure the moderator will change them.

Bristly Ridge appears as a scramble and as a winter climb, hence twice.

Alan
In reply to net:

> Crag Requested: Please could I take over Long Scar, Wrynose? http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1615

Switched moderator.
Alan
In reply to chris fox:

> I've emailed the moderator for Berdorf regarding incorrect information and have neither received a reply or seen an amendment.

I have moved you across although it was a badly moderated crag. I suspect there are quite a few more routes though.

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1947

Alan
Tyler - on 29 Jul 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:



> Well those descriptions are pretty terse but if there is a problem then I am sure the moderator will change them.

Terse or not they are verbatim from the Ground Up guide.

> Bristly Ridge appears as a scramble and as a winter climb, hence twice.
There seem to be two in addition to the winter one:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/c.php?i=50994
And
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/c.php?i=137959



> Alan

KDhruev - on 29 Jul 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag Request:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=16114 - Ive added some things there and had no response from the moderator (he's probably out making the most of the summer).
Cheers
Keiha
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Monk - on 29 Jul 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

> Yes, you can do this. First you contact us to get the crags merged, then you can delete the duplicates one by one and choose a route to merge it to. That moves the logbook ticks and comments. We are just at this moment using your crag to test moving the votes across as well which previously got deleted from the deleted route.

> So I have merged your crags and left four duplicates there for Paul to test on. Please leave them for the time being.

> Alan
Fantastic, thank you
In reply to KDhruev:

> Crag Request:

> http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=16114 - Ive added some things there and had no response from the moderator (he's probably out making the most of the summer).

Now switched.

Alan
Bloke on a Rope - on 29 Jul 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag Requested

Thorny Bank Hill Quarry
I've climbed most the routes here and have started putting up new lines
submariner - on 30 Jul 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag request: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=392

Cheers, Dan
In reply to Bloke on a Rope:

> Crag Requested

> Thorny Bank Hill Quarry

> I've climbed most the routes here and have started putting up new lines

Okay, switched - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10448
In reply to submariner:


Can you submit some updates to that crag first. The moderator has no pending updates and has looked after the crag. If you want to add new routes then maybe email Andy and see if he wants to pass it over.

Cheers

Alan
Bloke on a Rope - on 31 Jul 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag Requested

Great Wolfrey

Hi i noticed there's a lot of lines need moderating here and i'm planning on making some treks up there.
Graeme Hammond - on 31 Jul 2014
JamieSparkes - on 01 Aug 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

something funny going on in the comments bit here, http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/c.php?i=120236
Simon Caldwell - on 01 Aug 2014
In reply to Simon Caldwell:

> Rocky Valley could do with sorting, and the moderator's not been around for years, I'd be happy to make a start


OK, I've sorted all the routes. I don't do bouldering or even have the guide, so I've resigned as moderator to let someone else have a go with these.
chris fox on 01 Aug 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

> I have moved you across although it was a badly moderated crag. I suspect there are quite a few more routes though.


> Alan

Should learn to keep my mouth shut !

Anyway, Berdorf fully updated as per the new guide.

In reply to JamieSparkes:

Kinda, weird. I've sorted that.
In reply to Graeme Hammond:

Thanks, that's sorted.
Graeme Hammond - on 05 Aug 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1648

Another crag I've been to recently and willing to sort out
In reply to Graeme Hammond:

I've made you the moderator Graeme.
Martin Haworth on 06 Aug 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH: I have put all the multi-pitch routes at Ailefroide into a single crag.
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2151
Any feedback or comments welcome.
RupertD - on 13 Aug 2014
In reply to:

Lots of errors and non-verified updates of routes and problems in Blackwell Dale. I can sort this out as I've probably done more of them than most people.
In reply to RupertD:

I've switched Blackwell Dale over to you.
aln - on 13 Aug 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Auchinstarry could do with a tidy.
In reply to aln:

Are you volunteering?
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aln - on 14 Aug 2014
In reply to Paul Phillips - UKC and UKH:

If the present moderator is willing to hand it over, then yes.
RupertD - on 14 Aug 2014
In reply to Paul Phillips - UKC and UKH:

> I've switched Blackwell Dale over to you.

I've updated it.
HeMa on 15 Aug 2014
In reply to HeMa:

I've sent Toby a message.
In reply to Paul Phillips - UKC and UKH:

If HeMa want's them, he can have them! :)
In reply to TobyA:

Thanks for the quick reply. I'll move them over.
In reply to HeMa:

Hi HeMa, they're all moved over to you and I've done the name corrections.

Thanks for the help with the database.
Graeme Hammond - on 27 Aug 2014
In reply to Paul Phillips - UKC and UKH:

range west the climbs in this crag need moving to the correct crags:

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1096
In reply to Graeme Hammond:

I've moved the Funland referenced routes. Are the rest duplicates that need moving somewhere?
Graeme Hammond - on 28 Aug 2014
In reply to Paul Phillips - UKC and UKH:

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/c.php?i=105670 belongs in this crag:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9577

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/c.php?i=105671 is duplicate from same crag

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/c.php?i=339829 is duplicate from new crag I've started sorting and listing: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=21217

I'll have a look at the others tonight if i get a chance...
In reply to Graeme Hammond:

Sorted those thanks.
Graeme Hammond - on 29 Aug 2014
Graeme Hammond - on 29 Aug 2014
Mark Collins - on 29 Aug 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

I'm willing to take over moderation of Anglezarke, seeing as according to his profile, Alex lives in Bristol. I live ten minute's drive away.

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=325

I attempted to PM him through here a few weeks ago, but received no reply.
In reply to Graeme Hammond:

That's done.
CurlyStevo - on 02 Sep 2014
In reply to Mark Collins:

Can I ask what was wrong with the previous crag moderation?
CurlyStevo - on 02 Sep 2014
In reply to Paul Phillips - UKC and UKH:

Same question to you please.
In reply to Graeme Hammond:

They're done. Just one left Creature Comforts (HS 4b)
In reply to CurlyStevo:

There's updates pending from July 7th but to be honest, that's not too bad. Local moderators are prefered though as they seem to keep on top of updates better.
CurlyStevo - on 02 Sep 2014
In reply to Paul Phillips - UKC and UKH:
That route is a new route no? Surely the point of crag moderation is to check against a guide book to make sure it's valid, is that route in a guide book yet? Look at all the hard work the previous moderator likely did hand entering routes and butresses.
Post edited at 15:46
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Mark Collins - on 02 Sep 2014
In reply to CurlyStevo:

> Can I ask what was wrong with the previous crag moderation?

Nothing, just thought it made sense to have someone on the ground locally where possible.
CurlyStevo - on 02 Sep 2014
In reply to Mark Collins:
I don't think many people would have even started moderating crags if UKC had told them after you spend hours entering the routes we may give it to someone else that lives nearer!

No offense but I do think this is a bit over zealous and a bit out of order!
Post edited at 15:59
Mark Collins - on 02 Sep 2014
In reply to CurlyStevo:

> I don't think many people would have even started moderating crags if UKC had told them after you spend hours entering the routes we may give it to someone else that lives nearer!

> No offense but I do think this is a bit over zealous and a bit out of order!

Good point. Is that happening though, can you provide an example? I must confess I'm a bit too lazy to trawl through this entire thread. Not sure how that sits with any potential future moderating I might be getting into though.
In reply to CurlyStevo:

> That route is a new route no? Surely the point of crag moderation is to check against a guide book to make sure it's valid, is that route in a guide book yet? Look at all the hard work the previous moderator likely did hand entering routes and butresses.

Actually in this case most of the routes were added by us when we set up the database. That isn't to belittle the effort though, and we have no objection swapping crags between people since that is sometimes less effort for everyone than someone feeding all their updates to a crag moderator separately.

Alan
In reply to CurlyStevo:

> I don't think many people would have even started moderating crags if UKC had told them after you spend hours entering the routes we may give it to someone else that lives nearer!

That doesn't happen generally.

Our policy before we switch moderators is to check the crag for pending updates. If this is a long time (say a year or more) then we are perfectly happy to switch the crag. If the original moderator wants it back after that then they are welcome to get in touch.

For situations where there has been some recent moderation taking place then we look at the crag and make an assessment. Sometimes a crag will have only handful of routes added. The current moderator may be processing updates but not adding routes. If there is someone offering to do that then it makes sense to pass the moderation over to them.

One thing we don't do as a matter of course is to always contact moderators. We used to do this but so many emails remained unreplied to and then the crag changes then never took place since a week later we had forgotten which crag it was. You either need to act at once or it doesn't happen.

Alan

CurlyStevo - on 02 Sep 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:
As mentioned in this case the only unmoderared route is one that's not in the guide book yet isn't it? So how did you expect the old moderator to check it? Surely if a crag is up to date as the latest definitive guides it's irrelevant how long it's not been moderated for no?
Post edited at 17:40
In reply to CurlyStevo:

I don't think is such a big issue. The new moderator had tried to get in touch, Paul acknowledged that it was reasonably well moderated, the old moderator (as far as I am aware) hasn't so far said anything. If they want it back then they are welcome to get in touch.

A much bigger problem for us is the huge number of crags that have been claimed and then neglected.

Alan
mattrm - on 04 Sep 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

The moderator for Trebanog hasn't been on UKC for yonks and there are a few duplicates and new routes which need sorting out.

Crag Requested - Trebanog - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2812
omerta on 04 Sep 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

I'm the moderator for the Stiperstones in Shropshire but haven't done much due to recurrent injury, so if anyone wants to take the baton for that, please do
In reply to mattrm:


Now switched.

Alan
In reply to omerta:

> I'm the moderator for the Stiperstones in Shropshire but haven't done much due to recurrent injury, so if anyone wants to take the baton for that, please do

Hi, you can just 'unmoderated' yourself using the 'Stop being a moderator' button on the crag moderation page.

Cheers

Alan
TimB - on 05 Sep 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:
I've just given up moderation for the six crags that make up La Clape (in the Aude, near Narbonne).

They're in reasonable shape and correctly positioned on the map, but would be better taken on by somone who lives nearer.

Crag Available:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=18114 La Chandelle (La Clape)
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9686 La Couleuvre (La Clape)
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19172 La Crouzade (La Clape)
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=12006 Les 4 Miss (La Clape)
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=11934 Les Caunes (La Clape)
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19173 Les Crêtes de Vires (La Clape)
Post edited at 10:01
omerta on 05 Sep 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

> Hi, you can just 'unmoderated' yourself using the 'Stop being a moderator' button on the crag moderation page.


Done. Cheers, Alan.
Alun - on 05 Sep 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Hi have "unmoderated" myself from the Paviland and Juniper Wall, both on Gower:

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=879
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=878
Dave C on 05 Sep 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

I've just given up moderating Mt Arapiles. Work commitments and a complete inability to climb these days (arthritis sucks!) mean I have no real connection to the place anymore. I'm sure somebody will pick it up pretty quickly for you though.
The Ivanator - on 10 Sep 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Having climbed there at the weekend I notice that the climbs at Retribution Wall (Rhosilli, Gower) are duplicated as an individual crag and as a separate buttress under Trial Wall - the Trial Wall listing is more complete, with both trad and sport lines included.
Probably the ticks need merging and duplication removed, the two versions of the crag do have separate moderators which might complicate things.
In reply to The Ivanator:

> Having climbed there at the weekend I notice that the climbs at Retribution Wall (Rhosilli, Gower) are duplicated as an individual crag and as a separate buttress under Trial Wall - the Trial Wall listing is more complete, with both trad and sport lines included.

> Probably the ticks need merging and duplication removed, the two versions of the crag do have separate moderators which might complicate things.

I have sorted that. However it looks like there are quite a few other smaller buttresses there. It needs rationalising by someone who knows the area a bit better.

Doesn't this crag cover the whole area - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=729

Alan
Fiend - on 11 Sep 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=741

Needs to be split into Upper and Lower Falcon crags and generally updated.
In reply to Fiend:

There we go. Best leave as a single crag entry.

There are two routes at the end which aren't in my (old) guidebook so I can't sort those. If someone can tell me where they are then that would be helpful.

It needs a new moderator though since there were updates pending from ages ago.

Alan
Stevie989 - on 15 Sep 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Happy to take on North Third or anything around the central belt.
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net on 15 Sep 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag Requested: Jack Scout

Jack Scout, Lancs, could do with a tidy up - I'd be happy to oblige. http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1251
Pierre Fuentes on 16 Sep 2014
In reply to net:

Crag Requested: Hummell Rocks, East Lothian

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10084

Pierre Fuentes on 16 Sep 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag requested (not well moderated): Agassiz Rock, Edinburgh

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3002
In reply to Stevie989:

> Happy to take on North Third or anything around the central belt.

North Third appears to be well moderated at the moment. If you can find an unmoderated crag then you can just volunteer on the crag page. If you find one that looks claimed but neglected, then let me know and I will take a look.

Alan
In reply to net:

> Jack Scout, Lancs, could do with a tidy up - I'd be happy to oblige. http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1251

Absolutely! Updates pending from 2007!!!

Now switched.

Thanks

Alan
In reply to Pierre Fuentes:

> Crag Requested: Hummell Rocks, East Lothian


Switched that one.

Alan
In reply to Pierre Fuentes:

> Crag requested (not well moderated): Agassiz Rock, Edinburgh


This one appears to have an active moderator. I have emailed him.

Alan
Stevie989 - on 20 Sep 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag request: neilston Quarry.

Doesn't seen to have been updated in a while and I have a project there anyway.
Andy Moles - on 22 Sep 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

We've got the Buachaille and the Ben on one page each, I think it would make sense to do the same for the Cobbler?

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=594
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=595
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=599

I'm happy to moderate it.
Mick r - on 23 Sep 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Hi

I've taken over a couple of area's in Font that were going spare, just to tidy them up and add in the missing problems from guidebooks etc. however, not sure what to do with new climbs that are awaiting verification, as I'm in no position to confirm them. Do you just confirm them, or leave them then hand the moderation over to someone else later who can confirm?

Also, is there an example somewhere of an upload spreadsheet, or the ability to download a crag then add in the missing problems and upload back? no idea whats needed in terms of the format of the spreadsheet for uploading

Thanks
In reply to Pierre Fuentes:

> Crag requested (not well moderated): Agassiz Rock, Edinburgh


No reply so I have switch the moderation to you.

Alan
In reply to Stevie989:

> Crag request: neilston Quarry.

> Doesn't seen to have been updated in a while and I have a project there anyway.

Switched - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=225
In reply to Andy Moles:

> We've got the Buachaille and the Ben on one page each, I think it would make sense to do the same for the Cobbler?

What would be the logical order for those to be combined?

South > Centre > North

Alan
In reply to Mick r:

> I've taken over a couple of area's in Font that were going spare, just to tidy them up and add in the missing problems from guidebooks etc. however, not sure what to do with new climbs that are awaiting verification, as I'm in no position to confirm them. Do you just confirm them, or leave them then hand the moderation over to someone else later who can confirm?

I agree that there is a forth state of route here that we need to take account of.

We currently have:

- Waiting for confirmation
- Confirmed
- Can't be confirmed (which is where the person who uploaded it hasn't supplied enough information)

We need something between 'waiting' and 'confirmed' for routes which we know the location of, but we aren't sure whether they actually are worthy new routes, minor eliminates, or non-entities that don't really need recording.

I will talk to Paul about this.

> Also, is there an example somewhere of an upload spreadsheet, or the ability to download a crag then add in the missing problems and upload back? no idea whats needed in terms of the format of the spreadsheet for uploading

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/uploadclimbs.html

You can download a .xls file or text file from there and add the routes to that. Upload the file and then use the Moderation ordering functions to move them to the correct place.

Alan
Andy Moles - on 24 Sep 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

> What would be the logical order for those to be combined?

> South > Centre > North

Either that or North > Centre > South.

In reply to Andy Moles:

> Either that or North > Centre > South.

Which would be best for the golden Left to Right rule?

Alan
Andy Moles - on 24 Sep 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

South > Centre > North.
RichardMc - on 24 Sep 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Hi Alan - seem to back in control of things now. Would be happy to tidy up the Dentelles crags. As it happens I am actually in Vaison-les-Romaines for a few days.

So if it is OK with you could we rename the following crags
"Saint Christophe - Dentelles de Montmiral" ---> "Saint Christophe (Dentelles de Montmiral)"
"Rocher du Grand Travers" ---> "Rocher du Grand Travers (Dentelles de Montmiral)"
"Tyrolienne" ---> "Tyrolienne (Dentelles de Montmiral)"
"Rocher du Cayron" ---> "Rocher du Cayron (Dentelles de Montmiral)"
"Chaine de Gigondas" ---> "Chaine de Gigondas (Dentelles de Montmiral)"
so that all six crags have consistent names.

My understanding is that if climbs are moved from the old Dentelles crag then if the names are exactly the same the log book entries are all consolidated and where the names do not match I can merge the records under the correct name and peoples log entries will all be preserved.

I am using the Rockfax guide and the latest local topo guide.

Regards
Richard
In reply to Andy Moles:

> South > Centre > North.

Ok, now combined http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=594

Alan
In reply to RichardMc:

Hi Richard

Don't do any route adding yet. Let me do some moving first. This will create some duplicates but at least it should be easier to sort out once the routes are on the smaller Crag lists.

Alan
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RichardMc - on 24 Sep 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Thanks Alan. Wasn't planning to add anymore until the existing routes are in the right crags then I can sort them into sectors.

Richard
In reply to RichardMc:

Have sent an email since it is a bit complicated.

Alan
dannyboy83 - on 07 Oct 2014
dannyboy83 - on 07 Oct 2014
RichardMc - on 07 Oct 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Alan,
I have taken myself off Les Trois Commeres
Richard

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=18317

In reply to dannyboy83:

All now changed. Thanks

Alan
In reply to RichardMc:

> Alan,

> I have taken myself off Les Trois Commeres

> Richard

Ok, no probs.

How are you managing with the Dentelles stuff?

Alan
Macca_7 - on 09 Oct 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Hello would it be possible to remove Bude Beach Crag from the database?

I can't work out what it is supposed to be and doesn't really fit in with any of the other crags. I live in Bude and whatever it is describing is really not worth having another crag on the database for.

Many Thanks

Macca
Mark Kemball - on 09 Oct 2014
In reply to Macca_7:

Double checked by me (co-ordinating the guidebook for the area), Macca is correct, the crag http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20925 makes no sense at all, particularly as the associated map places it several miles inland.
RichardMc - on 11 Oct 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Dentelles coming on slowly but surely. Should get finished up by late next week.
Just now I'm in Colorado for a family wedding and having to be social it seems like 24/7.
Very frustrated because we are just by the Flatirons in Boulder. Maybe get a little bouldering in on Sunday.

Richard
dannyboy83 - on 16 Oct 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:
Hi Alan, Could you make me moderator for the following crags, which all need work doing:

- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19250
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=16956
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10050
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19601
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19312
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9071
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19856

Also could you delete:
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4852
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=7103
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=6844

and:

- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4096
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19455
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=21085 and move climbs to: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20103

- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=18033
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=18032
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=18029
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=18034
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=18031
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=18030
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=18306 and move climbs to: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20751

- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19340
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=12198
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19346
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19345
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19778 and move climbs to: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20750

- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19768
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19769
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19600
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19770
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19771
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=17851
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19772
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19775
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=15521
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19598
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19774
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19599
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19773 and move climbs to: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20752

should keep me busy for a bit,
cheers
Post edited at 19:12
Graeme Hammond - on 16 Oct 2014
mark20 - on 16 Oct 2014
I made this point a while ago but it never got sorted - if you vote on a grade, then the problem is changed by a moderator from a font grade to V grade, it looses all it's votes, but you can't vote again because you have already voted.
eg most things at Curbar that just got changed from font to V grades
BTphonehome on 18 Oct 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crags Requested:
Cubells
Sant Llorenc de Montgai

Just returned from Lleida and appears theses were last sorted in 2010. Both need organising and updating following publication of Lleida Climbs 2013.

Have requested Camarasa which also needs a tidy up.

Cheers, Bram
Fiend - on 19 Oct 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/c.php?i=9759

Tech grades broken on this...
phleppy on 19 Oct 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

I'll sort Great Wolfrey out if you want to pass it over to me, I'll give it back to the moderator when I'm done if he wants. I'll also be be visiting there soon when these winds die down a bit!
Colin Moody - on 19 Oct 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

In 'Climbing Guidebooks' there are 2 Scottish Climbing Yearbooks, 2 Scottish Rock Climbs and 2 Scottish Sport Climbs. So 6 guides which should be 3.
Steve Crowe - on 04 Nov 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag Requested: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2913

I can tidy it up and add some new routes.

I messaged the current moderator but got no reply.
In reply to BTphonehome:

Hi Bram

Apologies for missing this last month. Now switched.
Cubells
Sant Llorenc de Montgai

Alan
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In reply to Fiend:


> Tech grades broken on this...

Looking at that problem. Thanks.

Alan
In reply to phleppy:

> I'll sort Great Wolfrey out if you want to pass it over to me, I'll give it back to the moderator when I'm done if he wants. I'll also be be visiting there soon when these winds die down a bit!

Looks in good shape to be honest.

Great Wolfrey
In reply to Colin Moody:

> In 'Climbing Guidebooks' there are 2 Scottish Climbing Yearbooks, 2 Scottish Rock Climbs and 2 Scottish Sport Climbs. So 6 guides which should be 3.

Thanks. Now sorted.

Alan
phleppy on 04 Nov 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

I see it's been sorted, they must have done it in the last few weeks!
In reply to phleppy:

> I see it's been sorted, they must have done it in the last few weeks!

The last update was done on Oct 28. I think Paul Clarke has been busy!

Alan

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