/ Culra bothy closed indefinitely
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Really hope this can be sorted out before the summer as Culra is a great bothy in a fantastic location. It would be a real shame if it were to close permanently.
Closed but 'unlocked'...
Can't see it being rebuilt can you? Article suggests it would be demolished rather than simply closed....
I agree, I can see that happening too - a real shame. Culra is one of my favourite bothies.
Snap. Fond memories of one trip there mid winter by myself, spending over an hour collecting iron hard bog wood, another hour trying to get the fire going...raised the temperature a whole degree to -2!!!
Awoke to the frostiest, clearest morning I've ever seen and had an absolute stunning day on Ben Alder via Short Leachas!
Seems a complete over-reaction: asbestos sheeting only presents a danger if it's being worked on (cut, scrubbed etc.) All that should be necessary in this case is to keep it painted and in good order.
What a shame, had many a good night in Culra with friends.
One of the best Scottish bothy's.
Stayed there a couple of nights.
It is almost essential for doing some of those hills.
Really sad if a solution cant be found.
Who commissioned the survey? Was it the Health and Safety group of the MBA?
That would be ironic, but not unexpected.
I wouldn't call it one the best, but definitely one of the most useful and busiest.
Fingers crossed for a rebuild or solution, the estate has been very supportive of the bothy in the past and generally very helpful and accommodating to hillgoers, and this sort of challenge is exactly what motivates MBA stalwarts. So let's wait, see ........and support when the time comes.
A friend was walking past the ghillie/stalker and a 'Gent' one day, the gent had just enjoyed a grand day, so the stalker suggested my friend join them for a bit of celebration to round the day off. So they sat there drinking bottles of beer that appeared out of the land rover chatting in the evening sun............there's not many estates where that would happen!
Quite. If H&S adopted that attitude everywhere almost all the farms in Britain would be closed down.
We don't actually have the full story, we don't know what the surveyor 'found'.............they may have found that some of the sheeting was disintergrating, or likely to disintergrate. In which case closure would be appropriate. If the sheeting was intact with no issues, and not likely to be damaged, I would agree closure would be OTT. However we just haven't got theinformation to make a judgement ourselves....
Agreed, it's pretty inertt unless you start breaking it up. Encapsulation is another cure, though obviously the added expense of framing and sheeting would be an issue.
I have many fond memories of Culra Bothy though not so many fond memories of cycling across the moor at dark o'clock in the puring rain baw deep in the glaur.
Seems fairly clear reason on the Mountain Bothy website:
Culra Bothy is CLOSED until further notice because of ASBESTOS CONTAMINATION!!
It is dangerous to enter or use the Bothy or even to approach it as there is now exposed asbestos on some of the outer walls of the Bothy.
You will therefore have to make other arrangements until the situation can be remedied or the Bothy is destroyed and rebuilt!
I'm confused:where does it say this?
I was in there last weekend! Oh well.
The irony of a bothy lost to asbestos being next door to one that burnt down.
Why don't we volunteer through the MBA? There are many who would like to see it rebuilt.
Maybe that's why they built the new one out of asbestos then.
It's from a link on the main MBA website:
which is accesed from this page:
Thanks for the link.
Well I've been swithering about a work party for some years, so this looks like a worthy one if/when it takes shape.
Count me in MBA.
The estate and MBA have always known that there was asbestos in the structure of the building and the survey was not undertaken because people were sleeping in the bothy.
The building is actually in a much poorer structural condition than it looks and requires early and significant work.
The asbestos survey was carried out in advance of this work to ensure that volunteers drilling, cutting, sawing, etc., would not be placed at significant risk by creating asbestos dust and breathing in during the renovation works.
The asbestos consultant carrying out the survey was sufficiently concerned to recommend immediate closure & in these circumstances there was nothing else the MBA or estate could do.
I like Culra bothy and am not a heath and safety zealot but I am from an industrial area & I agree 100% with the closure.
We are now working to see whether the bothy can be replaced which will cost a significant amount of money not least as a specialist company will have to be brought in at huge cost to clear the asbestos from the building and off the hill to a licenced tip.
Everyone is entitled to their view but ill-informed criticism and negativity simply does not help the situation. Everyone needs to accept that we are where we are & the existing building will not reopen.
IF you want a replacement Culra bothy then you need to say yes we want a replacement & help this process along rather than undermining by carping from the sidelines !!
Well said! Time for the moaning Minnie's to put their money were their month is.
The two existed together at the same time for decades.
Eh, I think you're getting your knickers in a twist. It was an idle comment and not directed at anyone in particular.
It will be sad to lose Culra but I don't think people will have any problem accepting it. We also aren't carping from the sidelines, merely having a conversation after someone raised the subject on an open forum.
people aren't "carping from the sidelines", merely having a discussion on how sad it is to lose a fantastic bothy to our ridiculous health and safely nannying laws. why do people on UKC turn innocent comments into something to argue about?
Out of interest....as you've called it nannying.....how much do you know about the potential health consequences of asbestos exposure?
Are you satisfied that you can make a fully informed choice in this issue?
I'm no expert on the stability of the building materials, but I do know a good bit about the health consequences. I would avoid the stuff like the plague if there was any doubt.
no I cant but if I lived my life thinking of the dangers I certainly would never get in my car or go to the mountains. I think people should be allowed to make their own decisions about things. I would sleep in the culra bothy, no bother. you wouldn't. that's a personal choice
There's a difference between making an informed decision on the basis of professional advice and specific knowledge of the building, and making a decision. The MBA have made one and you have made the other.............in a mountaineering context the term "avalanche poodle" springs to mind.
Carry on yapping.
> no I cant but if I lived my life thinking of the dangers I certainly would never get in my car or go to the mountains.
In general competent hill-walkers, climbers and others who enjoy the outdoors have thought about the dangers, understand what they are and have the skills to minimise risk to what they think is an acceptable level. This is an informed choice.
In outdoors terms people who do not understand/are ignorant of/don't think about dangers are described in many threads as "muppets", "numpties", "jeans and trainers brigade" or "MR fodder".
These are people who make uninformed choices, sometimes with outcomes that surprise them.
Children take risks with no knowledge of possible outcome, it is perhaps that childish behaviour in many adults that has encouraged the State to act like Nanny.
yes, this could well be true. being a fairly anarchic person I hate "nannying" and prefer to make my own decisions. the mountains are about the only place we are free to do this without so many rules, telling us not to do this or not to do that, to the extent we forget how to have fun sometimes. but I appreciate not everyone is irresponsible like me! anyway, we can always bivi outside the bothy so can still enjoy the area
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