In reply to Mr. Cox:
Quite rightly you are talking soley from your experience and as I suggested earlier if you talk to women, not men (for which man would admit to being threatened by women unless they were at some primal therapy tribal moment in the woods), you'll get a better understanding than you have at the moment.
Earlier you dismissed grade-ism as evidence that men feel threatened by some women climbers. There are lots of reasons people downgrade. You mentioned Moffat and Dunne's routes getting a bashing. That kind of downgrading is sometimes done for one upmanship - taking the top dog down a peg or two. They both do have a reputation for inflating grades, and the cynical will tell you that that has something to do with magic high numbers and media attention and sponsorship.
As regards down grading something a girl has climbed. Jeez John its not rocket science or law, ' a mere girl climbed it, it can't be that hard" is still a familiar refrain from male climbers past and present. Why?
Perhaps it threatens some men's egos, like I said in the article climbing was and still is male dominated, that's just how it is. Having women come up and despatch a route or boulder problem that some hold high is deflating to some.....to some I said, not all, to those males and there are many who still see women as second class citizens, who don't deserve to get paid the same as men for the same job, who really shouldn't be rockclimbing and if they are should be under the guidance of a competant male leader who knows the ropes.
Your a New Man, John and I'm sure you aren't one of that crew.
Yes, I'm sure Lynn Hill's small fingers helped her free the Nose, but it wasn't her small fingers alone. It was her determination, her skill, her dedication. But you still hear, not from you mind, that that was the only reason she got up the climb. She got up it because she's one of the most talented climbers in the world, regardless of gender.
Mick