In reply to Norrie Muir:
Could people please shut up about the whole shefffield thang? The vast majority of climbers (myself, i guess, included) who reside in sheffield do not originally hail from sheffield (i could make a list of folk but that would be utterrly pointless) and, as they come from a number of areas, understand that climbing in such far and distant lands as the lakes, scotland, devon and northern ireland is,well, pretty damn good, respectable etc. etc. even if the postcode has nowt to do with ben, or jerry for that matter.
Anyone who is anyone knows that the challenge of a hardcore mountain route is different to a fifty foot 'boulder problemn' on shitty pebbbles that are held in less than a centimetre, and i think anyone i've met in any pub anywhere who knows, say, a little bit about the climbing of rocks will acknowledge this. it is not that one is necessarily better(as in harder, more redlining it to the max[metaphorically speaking], dangerous, at the cutting edge of human endeaviour so far seen on this fragile planet etc.) than the other, rather that due to the difference in mediums they are somewaht incomparible.
i think this should be obvious but anyway, very good effort dave, nice to see such things and all that.
norrie, i think you've got a lot to learn ( i acknowledge how meaningless this phrase is - i cannot think that there could be anyone who does not have 'a lot to learn', even stephen hawking must be lacking in his knowledge of, say, the mating habits of the pyrennean desmond, but anyway, please try and get over this thing - isn't this game called climbing just a hobby anyway? it is for me).
bon