In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com:
I believe that the route stands the test of time, and will do so.
Different style route to an of ascent to Trauma.
like anything natual it is succetable to change,
The RUUP and flake, improved nut placements....
before people who have not been on the route letalone climbed E9
let the Dawes, Nick and Neil reply as they have done it, others have tried also so please lets not pass -ve judgement too soon...
Im sure if it was a shit route Dave Macleod would have said so diectly rather than some coded cryptic clue...
good attempt Dave the Indian Face is still waiting for you ... when you are ready...