/ NEWS: Hard Rock Challenge: SUCCESS

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Michael Ryan - on 17 Aug 2007
An amazing achievement by Mark, Rich, Sam and all who have helped.

Best summed up by this letter that Sam posted on the Hard Rock Challenge Blog:

Dear Hard Rock Challenge Team,

On behalf of Cornwall Search and Rescue Team, and the wider Mountain Rescue community, I would like to offer our heart...

Read more at http://www.ukclimbing.com/news/
climbingpixie - on 17 Aug 2007
In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com:

Congratulations to the lads, Sam and all the people involved in the HRC. It's a fantastic achievement, especially given this summer's weather!
Chris Tan Ver. L SP2 on 17 Aug 2007 - 130.88.74.199 whois?
In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com:

Whoooo! Hoooo!
Richard Bradley - on 17 Aug 2007
In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com: Very very well done.
Glyn Jones - on 17 Aug 2007
In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com: It's not over until the fat lady singing - they still have to do their slide show!

Big up for the team.

I still think Tufa was the most prolific contributor to this though.
MRJ - on 17 Aug 2007
In reply to Glyn Jones:
That was badass. 'Nuff said.

-MagnuS
Toby S - on 17 Aug 2007
In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com:

Well done to all, even more impressive considering the conditions they faced.
Glyn Jones - on 17 Aug 2007
In reply to Bored of this: cowardly custard
sutty on 17 Aug 2007
In reply to Bored of this:

As Sam said to me earlier it was a holiday they planned that got turned into a challenge in a fixed time they decided to raise as much as possible for mountain rescue.

When they have finished, they will have driven around 6000 miles at their own cost, paid several hundred pounds in ferry fares, and climbed in some crap conditions that you would not have gone out in on hard routes.

Now get your hand in your wallet and give them the price of a pint towards MRT please, more if possible.

have a nice day
Stephen Reid on 17 Aug 2007 - mailgate.needlesports.net
In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com:
> An amazing achievement by Mark, Rich, Sam and all who have helped.

I really take my hat off to Rich and Mark (not to forget Sam the driving force in more ways than one, plus all the other helpers, film crew and photographers). To do all these routes in 5 weeks would be a hell of an achievement anyway but to do them all in 5 weeks in the sort of weather we've had recently is just flabbergasting. It was a privilege to spend a day in their company and add my comments in their copy of Hard Rock to those of all the other climbers who have met up with them along the way. As promised, there is a large cheque ready to send them for their Mountain Rescue Team charity as soon as they tell me who to make it out to and where to send it, and a warm welcome any time they choose to return to the Lakes.

Have a great party folks - you deserve it!
Glyn Jones - on 17 Aug 2007
In reply to Stephen Reid: Don't forget the most important member of the team - Tufa.

I've come to realise that in the "who would you most like to meet" threads - Tufa comes at the top.

Sorry Norrie!
Chris Tan.Clone II on 17 Aug 2007 - phoenix.phy.umist.ac.uk
Glyn Jones - on 17 Aug 2007
In reply to Chris Tan.Clone II: Cheers!

My hero!
Mark Stevenson - on 17 Aug 2007
In reply to sutty: Thanks for that.

In reply to others: We have had a rather amazing summer, we've climbed at a whole host of new crags, we re-discovered that climbing isn't just a fair weather activity and met a whole host of great people.

I've also had the chance to go around with a collection tin for Mountain Rescue and have had an overwhelmingly positive response whether it was at Glenmore Lodge, The Clachaig, The Old Dungeon Gill or Pete's Eats.

Everyone is entitled to there own opinion of whether our climbing road-trip was trivial, puerile or worthy of publicity and I don't really care. However, please take Sutty's plea to heart and if you haven't already sent a few pounds the way of Mountain Rescue this year, please do, even if it's only your loose change in the next collection tin you pass.

Many thanks,
Mark
Sam M on 17 Aug 2007 - user-514d3c05.l1.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk
In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com:

blog just updated!

All completed and now time for a class of wine and a chill out before the party this weekend.

Watch ITV South West tonight if you can.

Thanks so much to UKC for the coverage.

Thanks for the support we have had from you guys on here (ignore the sad people who frankly are just jealous).

Sorry if I lost it on the Donation thread, too tired!

I will keep updating the blog for weeks to come with more photos and more stories.

Sam and the team

Michael Ryan - on 17 Aug 2007
Glyn Jones - on 17 Aug 2007
In reply to Sam M:
> (In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com)
> Sorry if I lost it on the Donation thread, too tired!

Don't worry, I'm still going to be an annoying git by keeping the thread near the top!

hehe!!

;O)
Sam M on 17 Aug 2007 - user-514d3c05.l1.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk
In reply to Glyn Jones:

Keep up the good work, I am just going to take Tufa into Torquay, I have never been before.

Sam
sutty on 17 Aug 2007
In reply to Sam M:

Oooh Torquay, rest homes for old ladies, you should fit in well.;-P
Norrie Muir - on 17 Aug 2007

Well done to everyone involved. It is an achievement that will be rembembered by you for ever and a day.
In reply to Sam M:

Awesome acheivement folks! We'll be sending you a cheque very soon.

So what's your goal for next year?

Next time I'm in the Costa Blanca I'll call in to say 'hi'.

Hope you have a fantastic party, you all deserve it...

Dave D
AWCC
Rock Fairy - on 17 Aug 2007
In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com:
Well done everyone.
Been quietly watching climbs vanquished.
Will av a celebratoring glass of vino for you tonight.

My donation will follow too.

Enjoy your celebrations.

Rose x
glasto_mudd - on 17 Aug 2007
In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com: so proud of you rich, to carry on climbing in the rubbish weather, with ya body giving up on ya cos ya gettin on a bit ;) and sam an tufa an mark an si - proper proud of u all

Cant wait till sept when I coming over to say hi ;)
pooh - on 17 Aug 2007
In reply to Mark Stevenson: Mark, well done all of you. Sarah let me know when you had finished. told her to buy the beer on my behalf. Hope she did. If not Iíll get them the next time we are both in Bristol


Now get some sleep!!

Stew
Anonymous on 17 Aug 2007 - 88-104-175-80.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com
well done everyone involved
bump for donations
http://www.mountain.rescue.org.uk/giving/hard_rock.php
Not Remotely Foz on 17 Aug 2007 - host86-135-230-131.range86-135.btcentralplus.com
In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com:

Congratulations to the team. I have to say I didn't fancy their chances in such an 'Atlantic' summer. I will take it as a salutary reminder to just get out there and on with it.
Padraig on 17 Aug 2007
In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com:

AWESOME!! Well done!!!
P
johncoxmysteriously - on 17 Aug 2007
In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com:

Fine work, team.

jcm
Stephen Reid on 18 Aug 2007 - mailgate.needlesports.net
In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com:

Flipping heck, yet another "edited" thread. Whilst I strongly disagreed with "Bored With This's" post as my reply showed, it was his or her point of view and I would totally defend their right to post it. It was not defamatory or obscene so why has it been removed, or was it done at their request because they realise that they had been a bit daft? Either way, what was in my response that meant it should be pulled?

A suggestion to the management: if you are going to interfere with freedom of speech (or freedom of typing) like this then why not point out the places that you have done so and the reasons why. ie "A posting has been removed here because it was unnecessarily rude, or..., obscene..., or at the posters request etc etc.
Sam M on 19 Aug 2007 - 194.164.38.134 whois?
Blog updated today with a few photos from the Hard Rock Fest.

It was a great weekend despite the horrible weather!

I am so glad to be going back to Spain tomorrow.

For those that are not totally bored by all this, I will be updating the blog weekly for a while with more stories and photos.

Cheers Sam
blueshound - on 19 Aug 2007
In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com:

Well done all.
alasdair19 on 19 Aug 2007
In reply to Stephen Reid: I strongly agree with Stephen point on censoring.

COol project well done
Caralynh - on 19 Aug 2007
In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com:

Congratulations to the team - brilliant achievement, especially with the weather as probably the biggest challenge.
Andy Hobson - on 19 Aug 2007
In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com:

Fantastic effort from all involved - even without the appalling weather it would still have been a fine achievement.
TRip - on 21 Aug 2007
In reply to Stephen Reid:

I also strongly agree with Stephen's view here. Censorship on UKC is rather sad and spoils what is to an extent an excellent resource.

I also find it interesting that Steve's post fell on deaf ears to the mods, or have they chossen to reply in private?
Michael Ryan - on 21 Aug 2007
In reply to Tom Ripley:
> (In reply to Stephen Reid)
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> I also strongly agree with Stephen's view here. Censorship on UKC is rather sad and spoils what is to an extent an excellent resource.

Hi Tom

It was censored because it was from an 'anonymous' if the person had been registered it would have stayed.

As regards censorship: we censor quite a lot of posts, usually pornographic links and commercial posts from unregestered users.

We have almost zero tolerance for negative or critical posts from anonymous users. If you are critical of something, stand by it and have a profile.

If this forum was a free for all, no-one would be heard, there would be no free speech as this place would be clogged up with rubbish


> I also find it interesting that Steve's post fell on deaf ears to the mods, or have they chossen to reply in private?

We responded to Stephen immeadiately and explained.

Cheers,

Mick

Stephen Reid on 24 Aug 2007 - mailgate.needlesports.net
In reply to Stephen Reid:

> re "Bored With This's" censored post

Very strange - I got a card in the post today containing a £20 note and the note "For the MRT who manage great things without too much hype. Bored/Censored!"

I'll forward it on to the Hard Rock Challenge's MRT fund!
Stephen Reid on 24 Aug 2007 - mailgate.needlesports.net
In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com:
> (In reply to Tom Ripley)
> [...]

> We responded to Stephen immeadiately and explained.
>

True they did, however my suggestion that a censored post should be replaced with a message stating why it had been censored has not received a response.

Also I fail to see why it makes any difference if a post is made by anonymous or someone with a nom de plume such as Cidernut or Missile - most of us still wouldn't have a clue who they are.

I doubt I'm alone in finding this deleting of posts unsettling - it's the main reason why I refuse to register.
Sam M on 24 Aug 2007 - 164.Red-81-33-238.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net
In reply to Stephen Reid:

Thanks Stephen

Strange old world!!!

Sam :0)
Sam M on 24 Aug 2007 - 164.Red-81-33-238.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net
In reply to Stephen Reid:
> (In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com)
> [...]
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> [...]
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> True they did, however my suggestion that a censored post should be replaced with a message stating why it had been censored has not received a response.

The person who made the post receives a response; it is emailed directly to them. We don't post on the forums because in our very extensive experience this promotes more discussion and debate than the original post usually deserves.

> Also I fail to see why it makes any difference if a post is made by anonymous or someone with a nom de plume such as Cidernut or Missile - most of us still wouldn't have a clue who they are.

If you had ever moderated a forum then you would know the huge difference between an anonymous poster and a named registered user (whose name may appear to be meaningless to most but has a working email attached to their profile).

> I doubt I'm alone in finding this deleting of posts unsettling - it's the main reason why I refuse to register.

You are in a small minority though. Those with experience of unmoderated forums know what horrible places they are - either over-run by worthless nonsense, or completely deserted. Most UKC users appreciate the moderation since it make for a much more pleasant environment in which to post.

Good moderation may be the reason why UKC has been the most popular climbing forum in the world for the last 8 years.

Alan
Stephen Reid on 24 Aug 2007 - mailgate.needlesports.net
In reply to Alan James - UKC:

Hi Alan, I wasn't suggesting that it shouldn't be moderated, heaven forbid, simply that the moderation should be more open, ie reasons should be given for all to see. If this creates more discussion and debate could it be because the moderators have misjudged the mood of the forum? And also, a small point, but my response to the original post was removed but I was not emailed any reason for this.
Paz - on 25 Aug 2007
I guess I should say well done lads. I thought for a few days that the north facing scottish horrors of Anoch Dubh and Creag an Dubh Loch (?) (and talk of risking your lives in the rain - that's exactly what we expected was required, demanded of you even) had you done for. But ticking the lakes in double quick time was impressive. I'm completely happy to get proved wrong by someone going out there and doing it.

In reply to Alan James - UKC:
>Those with experience of unmoderated forums know what horrible places they are - either over-run by worthless nonsense, or copletely deserted.

Planetfear, come on down, the price is right!

I'm with Steve, it'd be nice to hear your reasons. They don't have to go on the original thread, there could be some sort of moderators-only reports page, for techy stuff too, as well as to make it seem less big brother ish. I'm sure the other mods would be interested.
In reply to Stephen Reid:
> .. ie reasons should be given for all to see. If this creates more discussion and debate could it be because the moderators have misjudged the mood of the forum?

We haven't the time or resources to spend that long on each removed post. The majority of threads and posts that are removed are actually in response to 'report abuse' messages from the forum users. We don't always go with these but usually do since the general users are very good at self-policing.

Our main aim is to allow the forums to function freely without too much interference and keeping the moderation unobtrusive has worked very well in this respect. Having inquests into every removed thread was counter productive when we tried it in the past.

> And also, a small point, but my response to the original post was removed but I was not emailed any reason for this.

It was removed because it no longer made sense after the removal on the anonymous post it replied to.

Alan

gingerkate - on 26 Aug 2007
In reply to Mark Stevenson:
Congratulations to you all on a fantastic achievement ... amazing enough in a normal summer, quite incredible given the weather you've had. Well done! And doubly well done for raising so much for MR.

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