/ NEWS: Bolting at High Tor
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I am completely mystified by this report. Hawthorn to deliberately discourage abseiling - what is that about ? When did High Tor become sensitive ? its not of an SSSI is it ? or is the reference to ownership issues ? What has removing hawthorn at the top of the crag got to do with bolting ?
Can anyone elaborate on this incident ?
This need some more airtime.
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Saw someone placing bolts on the left wing about a month ago.
Agree with you that the notion that Hawthorn is placed along the top of the crag to discourage abseiling is very odd. Although wasn't the tree cut down for the same reason ?
No doubt this issue will be on the agenda at the next area meeting on Nov 28th
Nice plug ;-)
A less cryptic write up on the website would be more helpful though.
The cutting down of the tree at the top of the crag, by the council I believe, was a disgrace. As far as I'm concerned, the crag should be an SSSI. But maybe no one else/ few others are concerned??
I don't know about discouraging abseiling BUT last time I was there in the spring there was a company doing abseiling fromn the top of the crag, there must have been about 20 of them. They'd used up all the pro and I really struggled to find anything to make myself safe.
Maybe it's to discourage commercial abseiling?
> Can anyone elaborate on this incident ?
A generous soul was replacing the old bolts on Wil E Coyote when he got challenged by some passers-by.
They obviously had no understanding of climbing, but sensibly he chose to leave rather than argue with them.
End of (non) story.
What was the deal with the hawthorn bushes ?
Reminds me of 'climbers bolting the peregrine falcon shock' at Malham by the twitching fraternity which an investigation seems to have been a bunch of numptie abseilers http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?t=236777
Shoddy verbatim reporting by the BMC of complaints is scarcely either useful or effective representation.
It would be delicious if the 'Generous Soul' had been using BMC sponsored bolts !. My thanks to the 'GS', though I'm sure, like myself, those bolts still had a few good years left in them.
Probably because I'm an aging fart! Seriously, though, I feel very strongly that somewhere as special as High Tor should be treated like gold dust/ Stonehenge/ the Parthenon. As climbers, our goal should be to do just that and to aim, as far as is humanly possible, to leave no permanent marks on it whatever.
The whole question of the felling of trees should be looked into. It may be part of a very well thought out gardening plan, but I suspect it's the exact opposite.
>Remember the main thrust of supposed complaint from DDDC "This involved removing some hawthorn at the top of the crag, deliberately placed to discourage abseiling.". Hawthorn is not a protected species! So what are the issues here? BMC maybe haven't got it quite right yet??
This whole hawthorn thing sounds so far-fetched that I hope it's just a case of very garbled reporting.
Oh, I don't know. People could do with being discouraged from abseiling down High Tor.
I didn't know the tree had been cut down - what was the idea of that? - but if stops selfish people abseiling down that will be something gained, at least.
The Castellan tree was, and remains, the preferred abseil point - far more airy and exciting and doesnt interfere with any routes as it is free hanging - its also got a good chain on it now.
The descent paths have become quite overgrown now. I had a bit of an epic failing to find the one on the Left Wing a couple of years ago.
yep.. i have came across 'abseilers' at high tor. all very peculiar- no problems per se tho, jus monopoly of the main ab point and quite weird watching people zip past from the delicattessan belay with the whites of there eyes showing. To be honnest i think they thought we were a bit crackers for climbing.. takes all sorts i guess. HOWEVER friend of a friend had a nastier tale to tell- onsight attempt on supersonic (i think?) and had ab ropes chucked on him. despite shouting at 'abseilers' repeatedly that he was in a dangerous position- then had a group descend on in him while in extremis. bit of naughty gossip i suppose, but this source is a reliable and generally understated kinda chap.
Par for the course. The best tale I've heard in this area is a friend who was soloing the Sloth, and emerged round the roof in a horizontal position to find a carelessly lowered rope momentarily curling itself up on his chest.
Abseilers, like dog owners, profess responsibility but in fact are basically all inconsiderate see-you-next-Tuesdays.
> Abseilers, like dog owners, profess responsibility but in fact are basically all inconsiderate see-you-next-Tuesdays.
As an abseiler who likes dog owners, I object to this crass generalisation.
You mentioned that the Castellan Abseil was the preferred ab point which is reflected in UKCs database. The BMC however seem to disagree...
Don't get me wrong - I think the Castellan ab is the perfect compromise for all concerned.
From the link: "Do not abseil from trees at the top"
The Castellan tree is of course below the top so no problemo.
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