/ NEW REVIEW: Moon's Gusseted Crotch by Mick Ryan
"I'm always after the perfect climbing trousers (pants). They are hard to find. If I'm in the mountains you can't beat my favourites, the Patagonia Guide pant; I'm on my second pair. I've worn them from Tryfan to Ben Nevis to the alpine backcountry of California's Sierra Nevada range and in the towering canyons of Las Vegas's Red Rocks. They are hard wearing, warm, shower proof, have zippered pockets with importantly full freedom of movement. Expensive at £100, but worth it.
But for cragging or bouldering I prefer something less extreme and you have to look the part, don't you? When I was bouldering virtually every other day in the boulder fields of Bishop I went through pants almost as fast as I went through a box of Yorkshire tea."
Read the full review of the Moon Cypher Pant at http://www.ukclimbing.com/gear/review.php?id=794
whats wrong with these for £35?
I think as a thread title this is one of my all time UKC favourites.
I had a pair of those cheap Moon trews - sold to me by the man himself at the Outdoors show - and I have to say they were the worst pair of climbing trousers I've ever owned. I'm not exactly odd shaped - medium since about the age of 16 and not possessing an oversized lunchpack - but these appeared to be designed for some sort of unisex alien with no hips or genitalia or maybe some sort of emasculated ladyboy. They were also horribly sweaty - worn twice then ditched...but they were only a £10 I suppose
Bring back Ron Hills now
Those weren't the Cyphers, I know the ones you are on about - they were going cheap and for good reason. I don't think he sells those anymore.
No, the Cypher's are a great climbing pant. Good effort to the Moon.
I'd also like to see a heavier version as well.
> whats wrong with these for £35?
Dude I've no freakin idea as I've never worn them.
I give up, you tell me.
but then i'm a delicate flower really
I had a pair of Cypher Pants and wore them for southern sandstone - quite possibly the softest of cragging rock imaginable. They got scuffed to f*., the two pocket buttons pulled through the fabric (The bum-pocket button is still going) and the elasticated chord on the ankle ripped out.
I don't climb hard, and a I don't climb roughly. They were just an astoundingly shoddy piece of equipment - by far the worst pair of trousers I've ever bought.
> but then i'm a delicate flower really
Aren't we all darlink?
Simply remedy there. Get yourself a pair of woolen boxers ( by C-IN 2 http://www.underwear-addict.com/component/page,shop.product_details/flypage,shop.flypage/product_id,... ) and make sure that you pull your boxers over the elasticated band of the Cyphers - that way no red marks and everyone gets to see the C-IN 2 logo.
Double whammy dude.
Sounds a solid pair of trousers.
They are certainly the best and most comfortable around. I continue to buy them because of this. However, it seems hit and miss whether you get a well made pair or not. There is defo a problem with the pocket studs pulling through, falling out......without any significant use. The draw cords also just drop off......twice in a shop trying them on!
I still think the cut was at its best with the original S7 Cypher's...bar being a little short in the leg.
I have 3 pairs and would probably buy again.........but they could certainly do with better quality control on the issues above.
My only minor complaint is the lack of a fly, which means having to take off your harness if you want to go for a quick wee. But of course no one climbs routes any more ;P
Oh, and I think the sizing might have changed recently - their "medium" is now more like a "small" from other manufacturers. Try before you buy.
I've got two of them, because we sell them in the gym im working in. Last year they had some of them produced in turkey which ripped just everwhere. I had them replaced by the new production, which was suddenly a few inches smaller. The result is, that everybody thinks im trying to show off when i do a sitstart.
Then the already mentionend elephant ears and the lack of a zipper to take a wee. And very annoying are these straps on your ankle that get caught everywhere when you are walking through wooden areas. I wouldnt never recommend them to someone i like.
The combination of 'gusseted' and 'crotch' has put me off clicking on this thread. How anyone get fetishistically excited enough about climbing trousers to spend £100 is beyond me. The most important feature of climbing trousers is the price tag. Significant discomfort or failing on a route can rarely be attributed to selecting the wrong pair of trousers.
My current pair cost £15 in a sale at CragX. They are Italian I think (Dogma?). If its cold I wear thermal trousers or hide a pair of Ron Hills under them. If it rains I go home.
I'm not sure if these are the same trousers that have been around for a couple of years, but if they are, I had 2 pairs and they were both rubbish.
I bought them for £50/pair from Snow and Rock in Bristol, so they weren't the cheap ones that someone else mentioned. I actually started a thread about them about 2 years ago. They were great trousers for wearing to the pub, but were hopeless for climbing.
I managed to split 1 pair on the very first outing, when jumping from a boulder problem. The material literally ripped in half and not down the seems where you would expect them to, but luckily for onlookers I was wearing shreddies that day. The other pair, the poppers fell off the pockets on the first outing and on the third or fourth the same happened as the first.
Ben Moon actually posted on my thread at the time and apologised, which was nice of him. Someone from Snow and Rock also said that they would give me a full refund, but I lived too far away to make it worthwhile taking them back. That experience has put me off Moon gear for life.
Hi Phil and others,
I'll call Ben Moon on this. It appears there has been quality control problems in the past.
Mine are still fine and I'm very pleased with them.
Will post later.
> Sounds a solid pair of trousers.
Don't like the sound of that....
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