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NEWS: Font 8c Link-up Falls In Fontainebleau

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 Jack Geldard 30 Sep 2008
Kevin Avery Reports:

21 year old Remy Bergasse of Romans in France has completed the first ascent of Quoi De Neuf in Le Toit d'Orsay, Fontainebleau and proposed a grade of Font 8c...

News: http://www.ukclimbing.com/news/older.html?month=09&year=2008#n45348
 James Oswald 30 Sep 2008
In reply to Jack Geldard - Editor - UKC:
Well done to Remy.
Any videos?
 gabriel_m 30 Sep 2008
In reply to Jack Geldard - Editor - UKC:
"Can a problem such as this be compared to a short Font 8c bloc or would it be better to give long link-ups like these a route grade, as has been proposed for some of the long links in Hollow Mountain Cave in the Grampians, Australia?"

Good question, but not really part of the news item. Perhaps an in depth editorial featuring interviews would be illuminating. But a quick, simple answer would be no. 50,000+ problems using a system specifically designed for them vs 1 problem using a completely different system. Problem solved [sic].

"The grade debate will rage on, and yes we need a benchmark, but grading is not an exact science and just as one person's proposed x is no consensus, neither is a first repeater's downgrade to x."

Do we really need this tedious caveat every single time anyone does anything hard? UKC takes itself far too seriously sometimes. Anyone who has ever climbed anything will understand the frustrating and confusing nature of grades. Going out of your way to end an article on a question doesn't make it profound.

More fact less waffle please.
 slacky 30 Sep 2008
Stunning effort, the videos of the two sections to this were impressive in their own right, now its linked, wow!

In reply to gabriel_m:

> Do we really need this tedious caveat every single time anyone does anything hard?

Yes, precisely because...

> UKC takes itself far too seriously sometimes.

I doubt it will stop the questioning and opinions on the debate, but hopefully by making it clear in the news article, perhaps one less person will bother to get drawn in to a pointless debate.

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