In reply to jude calvert-toulmin: Touchy touchy Jude, i've got a life but I'm 'working' late, try looking at www.flingthecow.com,
Or is it questions form the clique,
John, what do you think of narrow minded ego driven people who live in the reflected light of others rather than stand by their own achievements?
Eg criticising people for top roping a route before soloing it when they've not been on it themselves.