/ NEWS: Stanage - Ring Ouzels 2009
This is a traditional site and the restricted area is the same as in previous years. As yet this is the first pair building; if more appear other restrictions may be put in place. Likewise pairs sometimes move so restrictions may be removed. If in doubt, please follow the on site signs and keep an eye on this thread which I'll keep up to date.
Following last year's poor breeding season Ouzel numbers are low and this could be a critical year. Your cooperation will be much appreciated.
UKC Staff Edit:
Now on the news page:http://www.ukclimbing.com/news/item.php?id=46883
We have to abide by the restictions - your question could be construed in many a way...
I'm sure you're abridged with the facts & realise the consequences?
You're a complete tw*t Franco, you really are.
this is a legitimate question that few seem able to answer. Leave the swearing and abuse for a while and explain to me why ring ouzels need protecting.
Species require protecting to ensure the food chains, habitat and ultimately the environment stay as rich and diverse as possible. Where have you been for the last 20 years?
Do you walk to and from the crag with your eyes shut or do you enjoy what's going on around you?
Whilst I agree that all habitats have been influenced at some level by man and that life always continues, what's the harm in restricting you movements for a couple of weeks each year. There are other places to go, new experiences to try.
I would also hate to think all the habitat creation/management and species conservation I have been involved in was some type of war and not that I passionately wanted to save our countryside.
I think its actually quite sad :(
Also, it's the birds habitat that were climbing on, noth our habitat that there nesting on !!
Well, you should have checked the RAD before you drove for hours, shouldn't you? It's also arrogant (and also sometimes illegal!) behavior like that which loses crag access for *everybody*.
If you did that and it was a peregrine nesting there, then you could land yourself with a very hefty fine. It is illegal to disturd protected bird's nests.
"Is the enjoyment one gets from seeing ring ouzels far outweighed by the enjoyment one could get by climbing in these areas?"
That depends. Are you a ring ouzel or a climber?
I am sure that there are many people who walk along Stanage Edge who get more pleasure from watching the ring ouzels than watching the climbers. I know it's hard to imagine, but life is not just about the rights of climbers.
> this is a legitimate question that few seem able to answer. Leave the swearing and abuse for a while and explain to me why ring ouzels need protecting.
Ring Ouzel is included on the Red List of Birds of Conservation Concern for a definition of what this means go to
It makes me sad to read your comments on this site and ashamed that the climbing community contains people who are as selfish as you.
If climbers do not observe bird bans the outcome will be that climbers will be banned from the cliffs and rightly so. Fortunately the overwhealming majority of climbers are not like yourself. The current arrangements work well the climbers get to use the cliffs most of the time but withdraw when the needs of wildlife are greater than our our own.
If you behave in the manner that you suggest you may get to climb your chosen route at your chosen time and get us all banned from climbing it at a future date so just think and act responsibly please!!!!!!
So what is the deal? Are we susposed to avoid nesting areas or any area where you spot one?
Just the area inbetween the two signs. The relevant area is in the first message of the tread. I agree with you, a little gutted but it is a small price to pay when you consider all other areas on Stanage and all other crags in area.
Just wish that everyone felt that way (Gipfel!)
Personally I've always enjoyed seeing Ring Ouzels on the quiet areas of Stange, normally alone early morning or late evenings. They are all part of the solo experience.
I think its the latter and the top bouldering area is ok as long as your sensible.
couldn't we just paint some black birds?
I thought that part of the ethic of Trad climbing was 'leave as you found'. This does not just apply to gear and holds....
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