/ NEWS: New DMM Dragon Cams - An In-depth Look
The cams feature a twin axle design that was originally used on the well known and highly respected Black Diamond Camalots.
The cams are due to be released for sale next spring and UKClimbing.com will be visiting the DMM factory later this year to check out the next batch of samples hot off the hot-forger.
Read more at http://www.ukclimbing.com/news/item.php?id=48937
Any idea on what their RRP will be?
The RRP is £50 except the biggest at £60.
Ooooo! Fairly pricey, though i guess that they must be expensive to make.
Is it just me, or do the lobes look rather narrow / thin?
I guess the bottom end of the range would be filled pretty well by 3cus, as they're a lot narrower in the smaller sizes
"Is it just me, or do the lobes look rather narrow / thin?"
I been told the contact edge is the same width as the one on the camalots but by using I-beam tech and hot forging they save weight and keep strength.
Hope this helps.
£50! Doesnt that make them one of the the most expensive cams on the market?
Sod that - I'll stick with Camelots. You can get them alot cheaper.
It has always confused me why people go for the double axle design - with the Camelots you get more range, but roughly the same % weight penalty. This means that to cover a range you end up wiht the same weight, but fewer cams.
I'd rather have more cams even at the cost of some reduction in range - I really don't notice a 15%-20% difference in camming range, and much prefer having an extra cam on my harness for no weight penalty.
> The RRP is £50 except the biggest at £60.
that's not going to win them much support from the tight wad british climbers.
I was hoping for them to undercut the industry standard that is the camalot.
You have to understand that camalots have a great reputation as the best cams, and are priced accordingly. These new cams may look great but have no reputation built up yet. Surely DMM should be trying to undercut their main rivals as to gain a foothold in the market.
If not, they've missed a trick!
Thanks Stork, was just about to point this out.
Everything has a (manufacturer's) suggested retail price ((M)SRP), list price or recommended retail price (RRP).
What they actually get sold for is often something quite different.
Where can you get camalots much cheaper than £50?
The cheapest i have ever seen was £37.50 for a big size 5 (end of season sale!)
Any other low prices i have seen is around £45
Not quite 'half price and cheaper' and over a decidedly small range of products.
I think this discussion was done to death in a previous thread, with Simon from DMM posting. I think the crux of it was volume of sales.
personally speaking I try and buy british gear where possible as I think its important to support british jobs (especially manufacturing!) an dgood british innovation.
I've had my cams for 3 or 4 years now and don't need to replace any time soon, so I think that an extra £10 per cam (for example) over that time is neglible...
Emphasis is on you dude to prove your point. Half price you said.
Ever heard of links
$12.75 which is £7.80 not including VT sales tax
£7.29 at V12
What with shipping and handling needed to get these products over to the states we are paying substantially more over here Mick and that is a fact.
I want some of them. I was slowly replacing my WC friends with camalots. I might have to wait until spring to see what these are like before replacing the last few. They are only a couple pounds more than the camalots & I would pay that just to have the extendable slings.
I must say I deeply resent your implication that DMM charge over the odds in our home market.
DMM try to offer pan global trade prices. A lot of the differences in retail prices come from currency fluctuations i.e. the tide of business between the UK and EU has changed markedly in the last 12 months. Last year the exchange rate meant that Euro retailers had an advantage, now that has changed and many UK stores are seeing regular orders from the EU.
Kit is cheaper in the USA, but no where near the scale you suggest. There are several reasons why kit is cheaper in the US; primarily it is because the retailer mark-up is less (1.60/1.66 v 1.9/2.0). This is largely because the cost of business is cheaper in the US.
Then you need to add in the fact that US prices never include sales tax (6.25% - 8.25%).
there's something great about the response starting of with "muppet"...
0.3-0.5 = £53
0.75-2 = £55
3 = £60
4 = £75
5 = £85
6 = £100
As you can see, if any thing the Dragon RRP's will be lower than the Camalot's. If you are going to moan about prices lets at least start from a balanced viewpoint... not that I am moaning about the prices, I think they are pretty fair in both cases.
he obviously knows a good deal when he see's.
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