In reply to Franco Cookson:
> (In reply to andy moles)
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> It's not reducing the ascent to numbers, it's quantifying the achievement. A french grade does not explain a trad route fully. And at F8b/b+ it doesn't matter how well protected the route is it's still E8/9.
Stevie actually told me that it's more like a sport route. Well protected but hard. Gear straightforward to place.
He gave numerous Esperanto grades: V, YDS, Sport, E-grade....just to satisfy those who like their climbs measured, categorised and to fit neatly in a box....like that idiot in Sweden. And so some can shout hardest this and hardest that.
But read some of the lines, and inbetween them: cracks are morpho he says, finger and hand size dependent.
If you are a soul climber Franco, go and give it a go.... then keep quiet about it.
But please, stop the stupid bickering about freakin grades.