In reply to AlistairB: Sweet, thanks for the input guys, I'll give it a go later this week baring any sudden downpours. Yeah, I had a feeling the steep face of the calf would be dry, it's just that eliminate problems aren't really my bag and I'm too much of a punter to climb the "proper" ones since they're all 7B or harder from what I remember. Family is moving to Ilkley in January though so I'm sure I'll have time to beat some of the classics on that wall into submission over Easter.