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Houlding's "Asgard Project"

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 Blue Straggler 14 Feb 2010
Having seen the film, I got the impression that they didn't strictly achieve their free ascent.

Yet the advert for The Outdoors Show clearly and unambiguously claimed that he did.

Have I misremembered, or is The Outdoors Show misrepresenting?
 Reidy 14 Feb 2010
In reply to Blue Straggler: I watched it this weekend and i'm sure after pitch 12 it was too cold and they had to aid but i wasn't paying close attention
 stewieatb 14 Feb 2010
In reply to Blue Straggler: Keep planning to start a thread on this. The way I understand it, they freed a good few pitches up to E6 (IIRC), and I believe the final pitch, but the rest was aided due to needing to do the wingsuit jump before the midden hit the windmill weather-wise. So yes, outdoors show are mis-representing.
 Michael Ryan 16 Feb 2010
In reply to Blue Straggler:


> Have I misremembered, or is The Outdoors Show misrepresenting?

Probably a mistake. I have contacted them.

In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com:

Thanks Mick. I emailed Jack about it last night and have now realised that it's probably you I should have contacted. Sorry!
 MaxR 16 Feb 2010
In reply to Blue Straggler:

Also stanley did most of the leading it seemed, and i didn't see his name on the cover whereas carlos who stayed at the bottom was second credit on the box
 Alastair Lee 16 Feb 2010
In reply to lgyamjr: all three names are on the dvd. Sean Leary is 'Stanley'.
 MaxR 16 Feb 2010
In reply to Blue Straggler:

well now i feel silly!! Apologies
 Bulls Crack 16 Feb 2010
In reply to stewieatb:
> (In reply to Blue Straggler) Keep planning to start a thread on this. The way I understand it, they freed a good few pitches up to E6 (IIRC), and I believe the final pitch, but the rest was aided due to needing to do the wingsuit jump before the midden hit the windmill weather-wise. So yes, outdoors show are mis-representing.

Why 'needing' in this case? Commercially or strategically?
 OldProfile 16 Feb 2010
In reply to Blue Straggler:

I think it's a bit of a shame they didn't make it. Still an impressive film though
 mattrm 16 Feb 2010
In reply to Bulls Crack:
> (In reply to stewieatb)
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> Why 'needing' in this case? Commercially or strategically?

From my watching of the DVd it was a strategic decision as they'd been having a poor time of it weatherwise and I think they just needed to get up, so it was easier to just aid up them to summit and then get down rather than get stuck in poor weather again.
In reply to mattrm:

Bit of commercialism too surely, as I don't think the whole team wingsuited off, so I presume a lot of them had to ab off anyway. But the wingsuit jump was part of the original "deal" so, having conceded the FFA, they felt they should try to get SOMETHING out of the trip, and conditions did allow for it, so they went for it. Fair play to them.
Or am I wrong in thinking that only two of them wingsuited off? I don't remember the end so well.
 Michael Ryan 16 Feb 2010
In reply to Blue Straggler:

Conditions were awful. They were unlucky (and lucky!) and suffered. Great film...check them out doing the Scott Route...4,000ft or so in a few hours then jumping off....who wouldn't want to do that (and many of us could do that route).

I got in touch with the Outdoors Show, the banner was a genuine mistake.
 tobyk 16 Feb 2010
In reply to lgyamjr:
Yeah...i was a tad confused by stanley's credit aswell, should of been sean 'stanley' leary. Ha, We're such noobes!! Awesome film tho, its great to watch a proper climbing videos for once, and at the end of the day it really doesn't matter they didnt get the FFA, id be well chuffed if i could do the easiest line just to get to the top of that thing (not that i could do the easiest line).
This film to me is what climbing is all about, and has definetly given me great aspirations to do a big wall one day!
 MaxR 16 Feb 2010
In reply to tobyk:

well put dude definitly my favourite climbing film very inspirational, my previous comment wasnt meant to sound so arsey!! was genuine confusion!
In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com:
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> I got in touch with the Outdoors Show, the banner was a genuine mistake.

Regardless - are they changing it? And are you going to edit the OI announcement which (at time of this post) reads:

"Also in the line-up is top climber, Leo Houlding, who will speak about making the awe-inspiring first free ascent of Mount Asgard’s north face."

ooh where did the post about the Favresse/Villanueva ascent disappear to?! did it jump off the thread in a wingsuit??
In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com:
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> Conditions were awful.

Conditions were awful, I never said otherwise, but they allowed for a wingsuit jump, obviously, otherwise this discussion wouldn't exist.

> Great film...

Not everyone agrees that it was a great film, there was a well written negative review of it on here at the time of the KMFF but it disappeared.



In reply to Blue Straggler:

Ouch, Blue, I think you hit a (very) sensitive nerve somewhere on high.
In reply to Gordon Stainforth:

Well people really shouldn't be so sensitive. The vision of the Asgard Project was great, and what they achieved was very impressive, nobody has denied that. Getting any sort of useable footage under those weather conditions was obviously a difficult task, but Alistair and co achieved it.
I personally thought the finished film could have been edited together a lot better, that's all. With all respect to the project, I am bemused at the blanket adulation I see for it, in comparison to some other stuff I've seen that I felt to be a superior end product. But that's another issue entirely. I was just trying to address the fraudulent claim made by the Outdoors Show, not to score points for myself, but (as I mentioned in my email to Jack) because it was making UKC look bad, and possibly making people think that Leo Houlding had decided to claim it as an FFA. So I was trying to help UKC and Leo! And the Outdoors Show, who, as Mick says, had made a "genuine mistake" (did they not say "honest mistake" then? )

 gnc760 17 Feb 2010
Mount Asgard is the real winner here. That place is spelt i-n-s-p-i-r-a-t-i-o-n. Full respect to anyone with a spirit adventurous enough to take them there, regardless of the goal or the outcome.
 tony 17 Feb 2010
In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com:

You might like to sort it out on this page: http://www.ukclimbing.com/gear/news.php?id=2491
The Outdoors Show 17 Feb 2010
The Outdoors Show would like to thank everyone who has commented on the details of the Asgard Project, and we would like to apologise for any error on our part. Our understanding was that this was the first free ascent of the north face of Mt Asgard, however we have spoken to Alastair Lee, the filmaker who has confirmed that, while the climbers did climb Mount Asgard’s north face and jumped from the top in wingsuits in very testing conditions, it may not be technically classed as the first free ascent.

We apologise for any unintentional confusion caused, and we have amended our promotional materials for the show accordingly.

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