I have been trying to get hold of a copy of How to Climb Harder by Mark Reeves, I pre-ordered one off of Amazon but I got an email last week saying that they are out of stock. I have rung the Covent Gardens Cotswold in London but they don't have any in stock either. I really want to get this book before Thursday as I am leaving for Pembroke/Stanage/North Wales to get in the last bit of climbing before the season ends and would like to see how much I can push my grade.
I don't suppose anyone has a copy of the book and would be willing to sell it or knows where I can get a copy of it in or around the London area before Thursday?
I have been in contact with the publisher, the book is on its way from the printers in the next few days. It should be in the Cordee Warehouse on the 20th, so I am afraid that no one has it at the moment.
I woud say it will be worth the wait. I am keen to here reaction of people who see the book, as I am flying out of the country on thurdays, so won't get to see a copy before I leave, gutted.
In reply to kit perry: I would also say that having found out about books sales, that whilst Amazon will save you pennies, they buy at a vastly discounted rate, and therefore the writers and publishers lose out considerable (about a 40% reduction in royalty). Personally I have started buying all my specialists books from local outdoor shops like V12Outdoor and Joe Browns in Llanberis. They both do email orders and it is helping to support local businesses.
Alternatively you can try the publisher direct on http:// www.pesdapress.com
At the end of the day buy the book from where you like, but sometimes I prefer to spend more and shop locally.
How exactly do authors loose royalties if people buy from Amazon?
Surely there is a set amount of money per book that goes to the author regardless of who sells it? If anyone loses out from amazon selling books I would imagine it would be the gear shops like V12 and Joe Brown which I spend a lot of time in during inclement weather and end up buying half a dozen things I had no intention of buying on the way in.
I never buy from Amazon, mainly because i like to support the more specialist shops who know what they are selling, rather than just selling anything. I never realised amazon paid less for the books in the first place.
Surely amazon pay less per book because they buy (and sell) so many more than independent shops. There's nothing wrong with it - they sell so many more copies that presumably the publishers get similar value overall in cash margin terms. And if writers and publishers don't want people buying via amazon there's a pretty simple solution..
> Surely amazon pay less per book because they buy (and sell) so many more than independent shops. There's nothing wrong with it - they sell so many more copies that presumably the publishers get similar value overall in cash margin terms. And if writers and publishers don't want people buying via amazon there's a pretty simple solution..
It is not as simple as that.
Amazon and WHSmiths discount new books that they don't have stock of to try and get people onto their site buying stuff. They actually take a minuscule margin on many books initially in order to try and establish a product in their buying list. Then the books tend to go up in price once sales grow unless they can negotiate a better margin, which they usually do.
Climbing guidebooks rarely sell in enough numbers to make this worthwhile so all that happens is the books sit there undercutting specialist retailers who have actually put the effort and resources to stock the book.
Only a very small percentage of Rockfax books go through Amazon but we do get a slightly smaller margin for each sale. I am not too worried about that though since we get the same small margin from continental European shops and a few other specialist retailers like Waterstones who stock books at retail price in their stores.
What I don't like about it is that it undercuts the specialist Outdoor Retailers and the end result of this will be that the shops may stop stocking anything but the local guidebook that they can sell enough of. It has always been a great feature of UK Outdoor shops that they often stock books for Outer Hebrides and West Penwith on the same shelves.
As for not letting Amazon or WHSmith sell the book; that too isn't as simple as it sounds. These places get their stock from massive distributors who buy from Cordee (our only real distributor). If a tiny publisher started saying to these distributors that they couldn't supply Amazon, then I am sure they'd tell them where to go and suddenly we would not be supplying Waterstones, and many other resellers across Europe who will only deal with the bigger distributors and not Cordee.
Basically we have to tolerate Amazon but gently ask people to consider buying their books from UK specialist shops and online retailers. Obviously I could undercut everyone on the Rockfax site and clean up, but we deliberately keep the price there at a level so as to allow the shops their margin. As a consequence, our online sales are not as high as they could be.
I would like to commend you on your business ethics with regards to book sales , good stuff well done stick to your guns ! Good post also , I'm a little wiser now as to how online book sales work & I will use more specialist shops from now on thanks .
In reply to kit perry:
Its definately worth buying IMO. Its not bedtime reading though - its a training manual pure and simple. Thats not to say its badly written, its definately not but I can see how some would find if difficult to read cover to cover.
"how to climb 3 grades harder" is worth the download as well, though feels primarily aimed at sports climbers.
> (In reply to kit perry)
> Most of the negative reviews about 9 out of 10 climbers seem to be because it has no shiny pictures and can be daunting to read through without any breaks in the text.