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"David Cameron has urged workers at big businesses to give up their steady jobs and start up new businesses in a bid revitalise the economy."

He just seems to pluck soundbites out of the air and call it policy. I have tried to remain positive and objective about this man but I can take no more of this nonsense.

Sorry but had to get off my chest

In reply to daveyw: YEH, WELL HE'S A TORY ISN'T HE, WHAT DO YOU EXPECT?Sorry about the capitals a shift problem.

In reply to daveyw:
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Maybe he ought to lead by example, take his own advice, quit his job and create a new business selling hot air?

In reply to Clauso:
He used to sell hot air, he now gives it away on a not for profit basis.

In reply to daveyw:
Well how do you expect the private sector to find employment for ex civil servants if you lot hog all the jobs?!?!

In reply to M.Taylor:

Hah, I hadn't thought of that. I thought about it in practical terms.

As a hypothetical case:
The company I work for pays my wages and employer's N.I. and I pay my taxes too. The revenue I have created has also enabled it to create lots of other jobs and therefore tax revenue.

With 50% of new business ventures folding in the first 12 months and the odds of getting the economies of scale my current company enjoys very low, I would need to work harder for the business to succeed. To start with, as S-E I would be encouraged by my accountant to pay less tax and would not be able to afford to create any jobs I couldn't do myself, the legislation and cost (see employers NI point earlier) is too great. So it becomes more than likely that I would increase my personal wealth to reward myself only for my additional work in being succesful.

This 'idea' may help me but it definitley wont help the economy.

Plus if I fail (which obviously is not the intent, but 50% do), I lose my house and have to start back all over again. - That might give the ex-civil servant a job but I doubt it

In reply to daveyw:


In his defense, what he actually said is fairly sensible:

"If you've been turning over a good idea for years now is the time to make something of it. If you're working for a big firm but know you could do a better job on your own now is the time to make the leap. If you're dreaming about starting up the next great British brand - now is the time to make it happen."

Note the phrases "if you've been turning over a good idea for years" and "[If you] know you could do a better job on your own" in what he said. New business startups are one of the main drivers of the economy, and should indeed be promoted.

In reply to daveyw:
Ah, but it may seem insane to quit your job and set up as a competitor in a country not quite recovering from a depression, but thank god we have Clegamoron to watch our backs! Its not hot air at all! All you fuel injecting entrepreners out there are getting a massive.... wait for it.... 1.5K in a new business start up scheme!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12877083

In reply to Coel Hellier:

I work with startups, startup agencies and the enterprise department at the local University - this campaign is being met with significant scepticism, it seems.

In reply to Coel Hellier:

Hmmmm.

I understand that the only time is now, there's no time like the present, and all that. However, it's strange to make the statement that this is the right time to be making a commitment in a new business idea. I've never known such a time of uncertainty and gloom regarding the economy.

In reply to Coel Hellier:

Well he's either a liar or a bloody idiot. How can the middle of a recession, coinciding with expensive borrowing, be 'the time' to start up a new business?

In reply to Ed Boyter: I started my new business in november 2008, in the teeth of the recession, its all gone fantastically well, weve grown from that to 17 people in under 2.5 years.

Im with Cameron on this point at least, based on my experience and not predetermined political ideology, best thing I ever did.

In reply to Clauso:

Smart man though, all he does is flog hot air and charge us for the privelege......

In reply to teflonpete:

There's a third option...

In reply to daveyw: Yep I'm no fan of Labour but Cameron really is out of touch with the real world, and as for his glove puppet Clegg...The sad thing is under Milliband are Labour an alternative?

In reply to daveyw:

Budding entrepreneurs can find out more here: http://www.startupbritain.org/

I warn you the first page is not people with a nervous disposition but if you do take a peek parhaps you can confirm for me that he has actually got a few wrinkles round his eyes and across his forehead.

Am I right in recalling that the effects of botox are temporary?

In reply to daveyw:

i think that starting something is more of a question of personality
and motivation the the financial situation.
its always possible to find a niche with potential even if the market is bad, especially now as the recent net bubble has yet to burst..

In reply to Al Evans:


I thought you were just shouting, which would seem perfectly reasonable under the circumstances.

In reply to daveyw:

Been here before. 1979.

In reply to Ed Boyter:

Historically exactly the time when many of the best businesses have been started up.

In reply to M.Taylor:

I set up my own business back in 2005, cost about £200 to buy and install myself as a director of an off the shelf company. I am a sole trader offering my services as a 'gun for hire' engineer. Not big start up costs at all, just a bit of organisation and research required. Left my staff postion on a Friday and came back as contractor on the following Monday. Not every business start up requires massive start capital.

In reply to daveyw: He probably didnt mean you. As someone else mentioned its more about attitude. Its not for people in a "steady" job putting in 50% effort for comfortable salary.

In reply to daveyw:

This was from a report about his speech at the Tory Party Conference:

With no money left in the government coffers, the "only strategy" for growth is to get behind Britain's entrepreneurs, David Cameron has said.

In a speech to his party's spring conference, the PM declared war on the "enemies of enterprise" - and said he was on the side of "go-getters".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12657524

In other words, the government is going to do f*ck all to encourage growth, just cut costs, run things into the ground, and hope that some "entrepreneurs" do their job for them.

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In reply to Cú Chullain:
Congratulations on having the balls to go it alone and I really meam that. My point is that you being self-employed does not and has not actually generated more revenue for the economy.

In reply to daveyw:

The time to get on the bus is when everyone else is getting off.

In reply to Fawksey:

I work pretty hard thank you very much. I would 'take home' more money if I went self-employed by legitamately avoiding certain taxes that I can't as an employee. That wont necessarily help the economy.

You may be right, his message isn't aimed at me, but who is it aimed at?

In reply to daveyw:
So you think Cameron is just suggesting people do the same thing but on a self employed basis? Maybe you have missed the point?

In reply to daveyw:

Sounds fair to me, I want him to quit his

In reply to Removed User:

Not if it's just been driven into a lake.

In reply to mr rob:

Brilliant!

In reply to mark burley: Then it's time to fill it with social workers / equality consultants / lawyers / IT helpdesk people (insert your own pet hate)

In reply to KTT: Head of Global support Mondeo rear parcel shelf. Any Six Sigmas. Senior Quality Engineer Focus front door handle.

In reply to Fawksey:

How's the new job in quality assurance going? Getting nostalgic about getting lowered into shitholes yet?

http://www.despair.com/quality.html

In reply to Clauso:


I'm certainly going to try and help him leave

In reply to KTT:

WTF is an equality consultant?

In reply to Removed User: I am nostalgic for being lowered into shitholes! I miss the power station near Falkirk and getting shitfaced everynight and hoping youre not going to get selected teh next day for D&A testing.

Seriously I do miss the camaraderie of a bunch of blokes working in crap and sometimes danmgerous conditions, the banter and the fact that you actually deserved your drink at the end of teh day.

Testing metal aircraft parts is not the same.

In reply to daveyw: Did he receive your vote?

In reply to Owain:
Yes.
There was no credible alternative so I crossed my fingers and hoped.

In reply to daveyw:

you either didnt see or chose to ignore my post in reply to your OP.

In brief we started up in 2008, now have 16 F/T employees and 1 P/T, generating far more in taxes and NI than I was generating myself as an employee.

so it does work as a policy in at least some cases? I have other friends who did the same job as me who left at the same time and have also created jobs and therefore more revenue for the revenue.

In reply to fxceltic: Sorry if you felt ignored.

My original post was in response to the frustration at the lack of any new ideas or policy suggestions to get the economy back on track and I didn't want to get wrapped up in a Conservative bashing post.

I genuinely think it's brilliant you went out on your own and made a success and have created jobs. You did well. Your friend did well. However that was back in 2008, under the last government, and you did it without the massive support of David's £1500 pledge to spend on Google Ad words.

I feel this latest proposal is empty rhetoric and am dissapopinted at the lack of any real substance. That was my point and gripe

In reply to daveyw: i think the principle of his message is fair enough, though i agree that maybe there isnt much detail in it.

But then, being entrepreneurial isnt about following a prescribed list of instructions is it?

I was replying more to the direction the posts subsequently took, whereby it became a discussion on how it was impossible to make something of yourself in this economy, which is patently untrue based on evidence rather than political leaning.

In reply to fxceltic:

Everybody has the potential to improve themselves and 'do something', no matter who is in power.

David Cameron's pledge of initiatives was so lame that they will not help or hinder, merely a PR exercise - and that's what I objected to. I expect more from my PM other than 'together we can do it' whilst systematically coming up with short sighted, half arsed ideas.

End of moan.

in reply to KTT: (this is for people who have a decent knowledge of the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy) or we could make a massive space ship named the B ark fill it with telephone sanitizers etc and fire it off into space telling everyone on board that the earth will be eaten by a giant space goat
and we will follow them when our ship is built

In reply to daveyw:

If Mr Cameron's "Big Soceity" objective comes through, I suspect you will singing his praises.

In reply to daveyw:

Except for the last three words, isn't this exactly what he would have said if there wasn't a recession?

In reply to daveyw:

"Fool reads headline and not the article and jumps to wild assumptions. Again."

That's not what he said at all now is it? This forum is rapidly turning into left-wing think tank.

In reply to jackcarr:
left-wing think tank.

oxymoron?

In reply to Fawksey:

Haha. Pretty much.

In reply to Owain:


Cameron's Big Society plan is for other people to take on the services that government usually does, because he's washing his hands of them, cutting their funding, and doing nothing.

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In reply to Dominion: We wanted a society that took more responibility. Mr Cameron is trying to facilitate that but unfortunately those socialists who lost the election because of the track record of their government under Gordon Brown are trying to undermine it in every way possible.

In reply to Owain:

There's more chance of Kelly Brook begging me to shag her.

In reply to Fawksey:

This is Michael Gove in October last year:

Mr Gove also outlined plans to improve children’s grasp of English literature and language.

The great “tradition of our literature”, focusing on Dryden, Pope, Swift, Byron, Keats, Shelley, Austen, Dickens and Hardy, will be put at the heart of school life, he said.

“Our literature is the best in the world – it is every child’s birthright and we should be proud to teach it in every school,” said Mr Gove. “And, more than that, it is every child’s right to be taught how to communicate clearly. "

Fine words, with a laudable ambition.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/8043872/Conservative-Par...



The reality, though, was that funding to Booktrust that provides packs of books to parents when their babies are first born, and again at later stages in their development was cut massively...


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12586839

Say one thing, but take actions that do the opposite.

In reply to Dominion: Nothing wrong with lauding our fine literature. However giving money to an outfit thats real purpose is to books what the Oscars does for films (sells them) is a waste.

This is old ground. Try harder.

In reply to Dominion: His "Big Society" policy may have potential if the country didn't have a massive deficit but to role out cut after cut under this economic climate is not great for his supposed moral boasting proposals.

In reply to Fawksey:

>However giving money to an outfit thats real purpose is to books what the Oscars does for films (sells them) is a waste.

You are so wrong there matey, it gives out books to try and get kids into books, and reading better.


Have a trip to Bury library and ask for AlisonB, she will put you right about how it works, and get you to picket against library closures.

In reply to sutty: you said that last time. Giving books to middle class famiies is a waste of money. Go look at ebay and see how many folk sell their ne books from bookstart

In reply to daveyw: You just do not get it,what he wants you to do is give up your wages,not your job,then go back as a volunteer,its called the big society,
His little lap dog Nick then call you you alarm clock person.
some once said we deserve the government the people elect,the trouble is nobody elected this government

In reply to sutty: Maybe the £13m they give bookstart could go to Bury library instead?

Parents, schools and libraries encourage reading. Bookstart encourages authors bank accounts.

In reply to ian woodyatt: You are wrong I did

In reply to Tall Clare:
With a few exceptions if I was starting my business again I would avoid these institutions like the plague.

There is nothing worse than being told how to run your business by those who have never actually done it.

In reply to teflonpete:
Alot of succesful new businesses are started in recessions.It forces people to think on their feet and survive.