/ NEWS: Stanage for Sale?
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First thoughts if it is true, is could we get together a cooperative of people willing to put some money into a fund?(I am not sure if the BMC would move quickly on this otherwise due to the management structure(not a criticism))
I read earlier that the upkeep was £60,000 pa.I would be willing to give £300 per annum to keep it in the right hands.199 other people of like mind would help with that figure.Of course it is not that straight forward,but I just thought I would bring up some ideas.
Also... ..not sure if the same as here in Scotland, but a community right to buy could be organised. Which gives the local interested community first dibs in any potential sale of the land, allowing 6months to organise funds.
On the one hand I'm quite happy if the National Trust will buy it. I'm a member and I know they'll do a good job managing it. They haave good links with the BMC and a clear vision for Eastern/Sheffield Moors.
But on the other hand the government knows this and is effectively plundering the assets of a charity so it can reduce spending on National Parks
Personally I'd rather donate to the NT voluntarily, than have the Government take the money from me by force and waste much of it on the usual bureaucracy before giving what's left to the NPA.
Oh God. Think of the car parking charge if the NT get their hands on it...
> Oh God. Think of the car parking charge if the NT get their hands on it...
A car park charge might be a positive way of keeping numbers of cars down. I wouldn't be adverse to a compulsory charge.
I most certainly would be averse to a cumpolsory charge. I've had my cars broken into several times in the Peak and I do not feel it's OK to pay for the 'privelege'. Car parking at Stanage is manageable generally, though this weekend may be the exception!
Anyway, who is the minister who should get grief from us about this?
Don't talk soft!
If they want to reduce spending on national parks, but maintain the status of the area, why not just hand it over to the national trust?
unless an organisation plans to make profit out of the area (which I'm not into) why would they buy it?
unless they are a charity, in which case, why doesnt the government just hand it over whoever can look after it best? (NT surely?)
Glad to live in Scotland where the wild land is shared by all.
I thik Dan is suggesting that a lot of the upland in Scotland is owned by big estates, which in turn are often owned by non-resident 'toff' landowners or foreign investors...
England (and Wales) upland areas tend to be more owned as part of farms, trusts, or by other bodies. Big areas are owned by estates, but not to the same acreage as in Scotland.
He's not saying either of those things. All he's saying is that for all the benefits of Scotland's access laws compared with those in England, most of the land in Scotland is still owned by old landed families who have owned estates for aeons, or by wealthy individuals, some of whom happen to be foreigners, such as Mohammed el Fayed, and the Tetrapak family.
He's not saying anything about land ownership in England, or about land owners' attitudes to access in England.
My thoughts exactly, it is in effect a privatistion of Nat Parks. Central gov have seen chartites buy land and are cashing in on it.
Potential buyers could be Nat trust (OK) BMC (good but probably too costly for them) RSPB (could be really bad)
My cynical side thinks that this like the forestry sell off is a smoke screen gesture, a loss loser, to divert the electorate away from the most invidious of policies that will be snook in behind the public outrage.
Hi Dan, yes, you are right. It is the access legislation, not the ownership, which makes Scotland special. I remember living in Preston where the Trough of Bowland was a no go area because the Duke of Westminster was allowed to put 'no trespassing' signs up. This is one of the reasons why I moved to Scotland and I haven't regretted it. Henning
Presumably if the leand is ever sold it will not affect access rights, and the new owners/leaseholders won't be all that interested in the edges when the "money" in the land will be in shooting on the moor.
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