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snoreman 18 May 2003
http://www.mountainclients.org/index.html
dont know if anybody has come across this site yet.
i had a couple of trips to the alps a few years ago with the author
 Mooncat 18 May 2003
In reply to snoreman:

Yes, a couple of mates went to Cham with him many years back, according to them he seemed reasonably proficient in the hills.

He did however rip off one of my mates (borrowed money, bouught kit off him and received no money and worked a scam over accommodation) if and when my mate catches up with this pr*ck he's going to lose teeth.
OP snoreman 18 May 2003
In reply to snoreman: lol
hehehehehe....well i remember a very wet night camping on the helicopter pad above the mer de glace in cham with him he tent was as waterproff as a tetley tea bag we got soaked and the accomadition in cham was more like a squat but wot u expect for £350 for 2 weeks ...but u gotta admit he raises a few good points on his web site ..wonder if i will bump into dennis in cham this summer
 Mooncat 18 May 2003
In reply to snoreman:

Do you have 'issues' with him?
OP snoreman 18 May 2003
In reply to snoreman: me issues no not at all it would be great to meet up with him have a few beers etc
 Doug 18 May 2003
In reply to snoreman:
Think it's the same guy who from time to time posts here about how dreadful guides are, talking about conspiracies, etc, does seem quite obsessive - not sure quite why (did he fail his guides diploma ? ). He's not so keen on the BMC either

He 's never explained how he can work as a guide in France which is illegal under french law without a UIAGM qualification

Apologies if I've got the wrong guy.
 Mooncat 18 May 2003
In reply to Doug:

Sounds like the same one to me. I could be mistaken but I'm quite sure that he used to advertise himself as a qualified guide.
Boff 24 May 2003
In reply to snoreman:
Went with Dennis in 83, 86 and 87. Found him extremely professional and VERY safe! No frills trips certainly, but thats how Chamonix always used to be isn't it? Met him on several occasions since. One of the old school!
 Mooncat 24 May 2003
In reply to Boff:

Wow cool! I've just had a threatening Email off the man himself.
colski 24 May 2003
In reply to Mooncat:

Looking at his website, he does seem to be a tad... paranoid/obsessive etc.
I'll expect a nasty email now!

Although if I was him, I'd be a bit pissed off to be the subject of a thread entitled "dodgy mountain guides"!
martin k 24 May 2003
In reply to Mooncat: Hey! don't keep it to yourself...let's all have a look. putting it on here won't be slanderous, libellous or anything else. maybe it'll annoy a few people, but threatening emails are just a bit sad, aren't they?
go on
go no
go on
go on
go on
go on
 sutty 24 May 2003
In reply to Mooncat:

What is that for? Dennis must be getting more paranoid than ever, it will be white coats and funny jackets for him soon.

DENNIS , if you read this you are not doing yourself any favours with all the sniping over the last few years. Your comments on here and MTN.co.uk were whimsical but continuing to call people has not helped your case, I certainly would not use somone who was so obsessed with calling all and sundry as a guide.

Try being a bit more mellow in your advancing years or you will end up very bitter and still not achieve your aim of bringing down the guides system.
 Mooncat 24 May 2003
In reply to martin k:

I won't post it yet as I am consulting with my mate who was stung by Dennis about whether or not to meet up with him.

If you're reading this Dennis make sure you've got my mates money on you if we do meet.
OP snoreman 27 May 2003
In reply to snoreman: hey i was not tryin to say that dennis was a bit dodgy i was talkin bout the guides he mentions on his website........and he hasent emiled me yet..
Graham B 28 May 2003
In reply to snoreman:

That website is truly dreadful! If it is any reflection of his ability / quality / rigour as a guide then I'm very suprised that anyone would so much as allow him to guide them across the road.
potted shrimp 28 May 2003
In reply to snoreman: the website is a bit daunting isn't it...don't you think the guy with the ice-axe looks incredibly threatening...or is that a client?
m0nkeyboy minus cookies! 28 May 2003
In reply to potted shrimp:

Wouldn't trust him to walk my dog, if I had one
colski 28 May 2003
In reply to m0nkeyboy minus cookies!:

Fancies himself as a bit of an artiste as well:

http://www.mountainclients.org/logo1.html

<Snigger>
m0nkeyboy minus cookies! 28 May 2003
In reply to colski:

Very nice, honest!
Paul Saunders 28 May 2003
In reply to previous posters:

Yes well it's easy to slag off the man in particular, and to criticise his website (I had a website once it was crap, because, hey I'm not a website specialist). Perhaps an instructor/guide he doesn't understand all the complexities of html, or employs someone cheap.

He's certainly got a polarised veiwpoint. Is he right though? There are enough clients and outdoor professionals on these forums, to comment surely?

How does the BMG balance the position of "climbing's dangerous we're not liable" with "you should only use our professionally trained guides". Surely diametrically opposite viewpoints? If you insist on a standard of training then those trained people should be liable for errors.

If you can't prove negligence then clearly they are not liable, but I find his accusation of the restriction of information about number of accidents/deaths worrying. Simple H & S for every company demands an incident book. The BMG affiliated guides should have one of these. The BMG should be able to access this data and publish as a service to their members. (A principle of H & S is that you learn from past errors).

Surely this is so? Any BMG members care to comment?

How about the subject of this thread himself? (who's not necessarily a dodgy mountain guide - misleading thread title). You've an opportunity to raise the profile of this issue here, why not take it?

Dennis M 29 May 2003
In reply to Paul Saunders:

'He's certainly got a polarised viewpoint.' Focused Paul, focused.

I could'nt possible take such an opportunity, on a Forum such as this. Too many parents and relatives involved, pending court cases etc.

Snorman's (we should meet and have a drink snoreman) thread has already been highjacked, spoilt.
OP Mark B 29 May 2003
In reply to Dennis M: Many Guides and Instructors have discussed the contents of the mountainclients website and I know it has been mentioned at committee meetings etc.

There are legal issues at hand here and I don't feel it's wise to create a fish bowl on any one person but it is widely accepted that views expressed on this website are personal and sometimes incorrect when relating to the law and past events.

If it was worrying to the organisations mentioned then more formal action would have been taken.

It would be interesting to here more from other "clients" - without them there's not a forum.

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