/ What to expect from a Johnny Dawes masterclass.
Chips for a start
Expect the ...unexpected
Any positive comments or other experiences?
Be careful, my friend. You're beginning to sound like him already!
I don't think anyones interested in your unconstructive response
Expect to use muscles previously left to retire!
Al blogged about one here
No, I don't think so. And I'm glad I said nothing to suggest it was. For my part, I'd jump over 2,975 Johnny Dawes's to listen to one Joe Brown or half a John Redhead.
Imagine you are about to be taught how to speak fluent <insert unfamiliar language of your chice> in an hour.
You will walk away remembering only the sounds and with a handfull of scribbled notes. Practice what you can for a few years and eventually you will be somewhere close to fluent yourself...
I would also love to see other people talk and lecture and teach but not to exclude or for preference over Johnny whom I have an opportunity to see tomorrow and have a movement class with.
*puts on tie-dye shirt and pink lycra*
Where's the vision man!? Don't you want a better world for your children and their children? Embrace the new ideas and respect the elders, dude!
> *puts on tie-dye shirt and pink lycra*
> Where's the vision man!? Don't you want a better world for your children and their children? Embrace the new ideas and respect the elders, dude!
I do indeed want a better world for my children and grand-children, and I admonish all of them to look beyond the kind of society that turns beauty into a commodity.
I did one many years ago the went to the pub with Johnny and a few others, it was like a huge acid trip from start to finish...Awesome.
Dawes banged your missus or something?
> Dawes banged your missus or something?
If my 'missus', as you put it - in your caveman vernacular - wasn't sleeping right now I'd have guffawed quite loudly! As it is, I'm just smiling whilst trying to stop my abs from contorting hysterically. In the time I've spent writing this I've done the equivalent of 94 sit-ups. Thanks for that. No, really.
So far as I know Dawes has never 'banged' the woman that I love. It's perfectly possible, of course, that he has. I'll ask her when she wakes up tomorrow morning. (I'm sure that she'll say 'No, Chambers, don't be ridiculous! Why would I let Dawes bang me when I can be banged by a climber of slightly more than average stature?'
To be fair, the Jaxster does have a morbid fascination with little Johnny. She often watches his stuff on PuerileTube and is wont to say things like 'That makes no sense! I thought people who went to private schools spoke proper!'
For my part, I think climbing went downhill in the 80s. I look at young climbers today and wonder what the feck they're playing at with all this hero worship. I've been aware of the existence of Dawes for three decades. Great climber. Greater ego. An ego fuelled by what?
I watched young Johnny recently. For about ten minutes. Stood outside The Heights in Llanberis, holding court and desperately wanting to be recognised...
I'd anticipate stiff nipples, personally x
Now that's what I call a review!
A little late to the UKC party, but here's an actual answer to the OPs question:
I was in a group of 2 being coached by Johnny, outdoors. The guy does seem to speak in riddles and metaphor. I found that I was really motivated to learn as much as I could from him. After all, it's not every day you get to climb with Johnny Dawes. It was this that helped me to pay attention, and try to understand things on his terms. If you have an open mind, and are keen to learn, then you'll get something out of the day. Don't expect to be told about how to crimp better or how to do some move, though.
Dragons and small pox
Here's some vid of a workshop we did in Malta in September. It was great to meet Johnny and I did find his workshops interesting and useful..and quite challenging in the footwork department!
at the start, interested to hear people's reviews as I know a few people who've climbed met him and he's given them some help though not in a structured class, I saw your negative response and thought "put pretty blunt to be called constructive criticism." I read more of your responses and thought "this guy's got some weird obsession, why the hell is he so negative about the guy?". I then got further one and thought "oh he's one of those people that's stuck in the past and probably has angry rants at anyone who owns technology from the the last twenty years as 'we didn't need them in my day' appears to be a reason not to have anything new".
oh and then I read your bizarrely OTT response to the "banged your mrs?" question and thought "no. no. he's just a cock who's incredibly up himself."
In reply to isi_o: I'm not intrigued at all. Call me old-fashioned, but I don't think that the commercialisation of climbing is a good thing at all
What are you doing on here then?
What a bizarre series of posts. I know their are mixed feelings about these courses but you seem to be making a personal attack from an anonymous user profile. I guess its a count-down before the mods spot it.
I had a 1:1 session with him last year. thoughts here:
Johnny seems to constantly change how he verbalises his core 'message' that he delivers in his masterclass. As he is trying to explain something quite abstract that naturally doesn't come across in words so well, you need to be a bit open minded with understanding what he is trying to explain. Expect to be grappling with understanding metaphors which may seem a bit odd. I got a lot out of it but as I was in a 1:1 session I could have a bit more of a conversation with him, which I think was conducive to understanding what he was getting at.
To answer the original question. I had a day long session with him (shared with 3 other mates from work) and we all had a great time. Enough to book another day with him in Feb.
I would say that to get the most out of him you have to approach the session with an open mind. And put a lot of hard work into understanding what he's trying to teach you. I thought the guy had an amazing understanding about how he climbs, and had turned this into a great vision about how climbing movement could be understood and improved. Understanding his vision is really hard work, being able to apply it to your own climbing even harder.
My opinion is that the mixed reviews (from people who've actually had some coaching from him) are probably split between those who managed to understand him and those who didn't.
Neil Gresham interviewed Johnny Dawes a few years ago and had a training session with him. JD said he could improve NG's onsight grade by at least one grade in an hour. And did.
One possible explanation is that Mr Gresham is a rubbish climber and JD tweaked things a bit to make him slightly less rubbish. A bit like pushing me from F5 to F6a. Anyone want to vote for that explanation? Apart from you, like?
I only have positive things to say about the session.
We started off in the Bar because Johnny had had a crappy day getting to us, he began to explain what he thinks about the common problems people have with their climbing in relation to posture and not planning for the entire movement involved in any one move.
We progressed to a bouldering area in the centre where he explained and demonstrated what he means about 'shapes', stopping a fall before it happens, the right face to pull/replicate.
As had been suggested here I went in with an open mind, I didn't need one, he made sense and I' sure I understood what he was talking about.
I won't go into too much detail about what he explained because he needs to make a living and it would do a disservice to him to explain it badly.
Johnny talks about his understanding of how movement, posture, balance, forward planning, imagining and feedback that the body gives well.
There are no pseudo sciencey words used and it would be easy to say the terminology was abstract but it didn't seem too abstract to me.
From the outset (when I decided to shell out for doing this) I was aware it was a movement class and that's what I got. I have a better understanding about how to move to an extent but more importantly I feel I have learnt some concept which if I choose to apply them will help me.
In fact the realms of what could be possible for me have grown off of the back of the lesson. i managed a couple of moves which I would never have thought achievable (especially in a short space of time) with some practice and managed one move on my first attempt by trying Johnny's technique about understanding what would have to happen for my body to get from one position to another.
I would recommend this to anyone climbing at any grade if they could approach it with a relaxed attitude and knowing that they were not going in for a class where they would be taught 'Egyptians' or routines for fitness.
I know that Johnny read this thread yesterday (Chambers your comments have been highlighted as unpleasant trolling by many others, i'll had that you are not commenting on an abstract but a person and were you to talk to all people with such a lack of sensitivity I would wonder if yo could have any friends), if you're reading this again Johnny I enjoyed it, I would even do it again after six months or so, i have no desire to be sycophantic or hero-worship anyone but it was a good class.
> at the start, interested to hear people's reviews as I know a few people who've climbed met him and he's given them some help though not in a structured class, I saw your negative response and thought "put pretty blunt to be called constructive criticism." I read more of your responses and thought "this guy's got some weird obsession, why the hell is he so negative about the guy?". I then got further one and thought "oh he's one of those people that's stuck in the past and probably has angry rants at anyone who owns technology from the the last twenty years as 'we didn't need them in my day' appears to be a reason not to have anything new".
> oh and then I read your bizarrely OTT response to the "banged your mrs?" question and thought "no. no. he's just a cock who's incredibly up himself."
*Chuckles* Nicely put!
Chris had a masterclass in december. He enjoyed it. Ask him next time you see him.
Stoke on Sunday?? :-)
Its Seems chambers that Jonny is always on your lips!
agree - good review & thoughtfully put - certainly makes me feel like trying a session myself - as I'm 60% of the way though FoM I have to say the man writes superbly - all about making the effort to understand isn't it? and I guess that the title FoM has several interpretations, including one related to movement & how JD percieves it....
Wow, people like you make me despair for humanity.
I'd love to do one of his sessions and after meeting him, he comes across as a really nice helpful guy.
> *Chuckles* Nicely put!
> Chris had a masterclass in december. He enjoyed it. Ask him next time you see him.
> Stoke on Sunday?? :-)
Karl is dragging me to snowdonia to wander up some very wet hills, possibly with Mr K the hat fanatic. I'm half hoping they bail and we end up at the wall on sunday nice and dry now.....
load of old cobblers to me, baffling boffin that he is...
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