/ TNF down row
I don't own a single TNF item but it is nothinh to do with this; partly to do with the quality partly to do with the "urban mountaineer' thing, and a dose of snobbery
Shame the DM can't tell the difference between a fleece and a down jacket
I would have thought that Patagonia using the same down supplier was more of a story tbh. Not for the Daily Mail readership I suppose, but I would say Patagonia trade more on their ethics than TNF.
Not sure what the problem is. Surely it would be unethical to waste the by-product down?
As for the force-feeding, it looks bad on photographs but then so does milking cows, and I'm assured that they queue up to be fed so it can't be so bad.
So, what's the problem? TNF thought they were being supplied with down that wasn't supplied by force-feeding farms and an investigation by Patagonia (who buy from the same source) has revealed that this is not the case.
So, 2 heavyweights in the outdoor industry can now take action to redress this issue. They surely have the clout to lean on the farms to either sort themselves out or they'll go elsewhere - assuming legal procedings aren't already in place for some sort of breach of contract somewhere along the line.
In the first place, surely the force-feeding fault lies with the food industry - of which the down is purely a by-product.
as poster above has pointed out the fault is not as it looks.
But to answer your point
"Not sure what the problem is. Surely it would be unethical to waste the by-product down?"
the problem is that by buying a TNF jacket a farm the consumer believes to be inethical would be profiting.
Ethical buying isn't about saving the animals that are already dead, it's about reducing the profit made from the practice in the hope to influence ethical standards in companies in the future.
I don't have a problem actually. A fashion brand using a by-product of meat production. We were trolled on this subject about 2 months ago tho'
Impressive how they managed to work a BBC knock even into this.
There is evidence that geese will gorge on food themselves if they are given it. heard a few people talk about this, so in time if people vote with their feet then farmers may change their methods,
I wonder who can say their goose down doesnt come from Foie gras, I know ME are doing their down codex thing, but thats not all the downs they use just some.
Then there is the live plucking thing, which is still happening
Interestingly the daily mail talk about synthetic alternatives, so they are not concerned about increased carbon footprints from oil based hollow fibres....
Funny how it is seen as 'trolling' until the subject is raised in the National press, then it is acceptable to debate it rationally.
Might not have been your intention, but that's how it came over. " Hey I've just seen this article about 80% off TNF down jackets. Click dodgyknockoff.com for details". Not entirely your fault, but I can understand why people were suspicious, and you were a little slow to cough to what your real interests in posting were.
i think TNF makes a lot of great gear. the toughest down jkt i own is from them.
saved me buying another, which saved a bit of down.
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