/ Help me buy some skis Please
I am looking at getting a new pair of skis and thought i would take advantage of the end of season sales.
I am looking for an all mountain/ twin tip that i can use with a pair of Baron/dukes or the new Saloman binding when it comes out, but am unsure what skis to get so was hoping that the collective wisdom of UKC might be able to help :)
it has been suggested that im about an intermediate standard, but managed to get a job in Canada for next year so hoping to ski a fair bit more once im out there.
I am about 5ft9 and weigh about 10 and a half stone, currently skiing on my girlfriends very old 155 slalom skis.
Currently looking at:
Scott mission, 168/ Predator, 172
The atomic theory, 168
The Saloman 2012, 171
what are peoples opinions on these skis, anything else i should look at?
Thanks in Advance
I'd be tempted to go at least 100mm underfoot for skiing freeride and touring in Canada, and I'd probably go a bit longer as well. I'm about 5'9" too (although a wee bit heavier than you) and my touring skis are 181 and my freeride skis are 186 - I'd probably go up to about 188/190 if I was to get some powder-specific skis. It all depends on what you plan to do I guess (and what intermediate standard means) but it might be worth having a look at some of K2 and Black Diamond skis as well. I can't comment specifically on the ones you've mentioned but have heard very good things about the Missions.
Thanks for the quick response , realistically i think we plan to spend about 40% of our time on piste and 60% off.
I'm looking at these
And pretty much the same size as the OP, only a few kg more.
What Aly said is pretty much spot on.
You'll want 100mm in the waist for the skis. And around 180 cm or tad more in length. You might gonna fatter with the skis, it will depend on where in CAN you'll going to be.
But bear in mind, that ski gear is pretty much cheaper in US/CAN... So you could easily get some nice small brand skis, like Moments, pRaxis or On3ps... and there's a bunch more to choose from.
For those, 100-110mm should suit ya fine.
Kickin' Horse and around there, the Bent Cheitler would actually be a pretty good option for an all rounder ski (albeit the 183 for us shorties).
Prior has some good planks as well.
ANother vote for Scott Missions. Great allrounder I ski mostly off pise but they carve well enough on piste, light enough for touring. All skis are a compromise and some may not find the Missions stiff enough for carving ice and blasting crud at high speed. But for me they are good to flex when you want them to and help absorb the bumps and drops
Mantra's are very popular with mountain pro's, there a good solid ski.
I'd personally recommend (cause I ski on them all the time)
K2 Sideshow 90mm
K2 Hardside 98mm
K2 Coomback 102mm
All work well with either a Marker or Dynafit binder
Sorry none of these are 'double enders' but thats because they're not as good for touring!
Thanks for feedback its been really helpful, am very tempted by a pair of missions although after reading advice on here fear they may be a little slim for what we want to do in canada so may look at something fatter like the line sir Francis bacon which has a width of 108
110mm waist sounds very wide to me if you'll be spending half your time on-piste. I have a pair of 172 Scott Punishers (basically a softer, twin-tip Mission), I am the same weight as you and they give me all the float in the world at 89mm, with the added bonus of being far quicker edge-to-edge than any 100-110mm ski on-piste.
Pretty happy with my 182's after a recent trip to Japan. I thought 123mm underfoot would be a real handful on piste but they are very well behaved, and this is after "graduating" from a pair of 90mm scotts. I think the rocker with camber underfoot has been refined enough for these sorts of skis to make sense for the person of average abilities, looking to ski all sorts of conditions.
My K2s (while being shitey K2s) are fine on piste and great off piste (at 98mm) but I'd still like more for the deep days...
Wider skis are actually not hard to ski on piste. Ok, you're not going to be busting out deep GS carves...but if that's what you want to do, then...hmm....time to start saving and building a quiver!
Go wide, or buy twice....
They're a great ski for free-ride, but not really recommended for touring. As you're not that heavy I wouldn't worry too much about getting a super fat ski. If you're looking for something lighter for touring then I'd go for the Dynastar mythic light, it's a bit narrower at the waist than the verdict, but seemed to give similar amounts of float.
Gear is a lot cheaper out in the US and Canada so my advice would be to buy out there, either in stores or check out the TGR forum.
Also why twin-tips? If you're touring they are more hassle - harder to get skins on; harder to push into the snow at stops.
When you say 60% off-piste is that going to be slack country or actual touring? If proper touring I would look at lightening your set-up assuming the boots work. Something like a Fritchi binding will still work in-bounds and won't hamper you like a Marker Baron on bigger days away from resorts.
I have a dedicated touring ski - G3 Saint which is 90something underfoot and 179 long mounted with Dynafits - makes a huge difference. I"m 6ft and weigh 75kg.
The skiing near Banff / Lake Louise is generally only boot-top / shin deep powder on any given day even away from resorts. I've had perhaps three days (out of perhaps 20 odd this year) where I've wished for something fatter.
of the 60% touring I think to start with we will spend about 70% in the 'slack country' then as we gain more experience and the year progresses we plan to do more touring building up to multi day tours
Thanks for all the advice, been some really useful comments, plenty to think on, and the next step is to try some of these suggestions somewhere.
Particualy keen on the white dots atm especially as they seem to be silly cheap atm
For a really good touring ski I would recommend either Movement Logic or x logic series.Canīt go wrong with either.
Stockli PIt PRo - better than excellent
For out and out touring I have used the Stockli Stormrider light all season and have been very impressed.
Fair point! I have not...that said, no matter how much fat skis improve, they will be slower from turn to turn on-piste. That's not to say they won't still be fun and easy! How long are your K2s and how heavy are you? 98mm sounds like a nice compromise for 50/50 piste/off piste. I honestly find it hard to imagine needing or wanting mor float out of mine! I have run them in the deepest pow and they simply don't sink...
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