/ Coffee heads: recommend me a <£100 expresso machine
I have an older model equivalent to one of these from Delonghi:
Makes decent espresso and does a reasonable job of frothing milk with a bit of practice. Also has a filter that takes ESE ( espresso in a tea-bag like form) so you can have the convenience of a pod machine if you don't want to mess around with grounds.
The pod machines make poor, artificial tasting espresso and the pods are dearer than ESE and more expensive still than grounds and beans.
I usually grind Waitrose espresso beans in a cheap Delonghi blade grinder and think the results are at least as good as most of what you get on the high street and a tenth of the price.
The Francia Francis X1 - had mine for a trouble free 10 years, its screamingly loud lime green and is like a cheerful little pet sitting on the kitchen counter that raises a smile. I even stroke it occasionally ;o)
Just drinking my first cappucino of the morning.
PS If it ever died I might consider replacing it with a Kitchen Aid Artisan.
PPS Dont forget to budget for a burr grinder for the beans.
What on earth are you doing to your stove top makers. I've had one of mine over 20 years and it's still going well...
> I have an older model equivalent to one of these from Delonghi:
> Makes decent espresso and does a reasonable job of frothing milk with a bit of practice. Also has a filter that takes ESE ( espresso in a tea-bag like form) so you can have the convenience of a pod machine if you don't want to mess around with grounds.
> The pod machines make poor, artificial tasting espresso and the pods are dearer than ESE and more expensive still than grounds and beans.
> I usually grind Waitrose espresso beans in a cheap Delonghi blade grinder and think the results are at least as good as most of what you get on the high street and a tenth of the price.
ive bought one of those last year , £70 . from currys , last one in the shop . very good .
Grinder is more important than machine. Grinder makes espresso. The machine just pumps watern through it. If you just caffeine or milky drinks then anything will do but if you like really good tasting espresso then spend a little more.
I have a iberital mc2 grinder with a gaggia classic machine and I would say that is the lowest of the ladder in home espresso.
Why thank you, sir. :-)
Would it help if I said that I've never drank a cup of coffee in my life?
yeah the Bialetti ones last ages?
So that's about.. £350
I have a family and mortgage (and very occasionally climbing) to pay for as well as a maintaining my coffee addiction.
Heat diffuser. £3 will get you one.
Aye he knew that of course, but that was exactly the point of his post. That and stating that this should be the minimum that people should be prepared to pay.
Stick with a stove top then or use a brewed method.
Espresso out the box of low end machines, particularly pre ground coffee just tastes horrible. I learned the hard way. I thought that even buying the gaggia alone would be all I needed.
If you just want caffeine then the delongis etc will produce something what you want. Taste is more important to caffeine for me.
I can't suggest anything expensive or funky...my vote is aeropress. About £20 and even I can't get it wrong.
Very quick, easy to clean (it spits the grounds out as a 'cake')
And you can fit it in your pocket.
Only from my own tastes and experiences. Since I started drinking in proper third wave coffee shops, i can no longer drink espresso anywhere else. Starbucks and costa is just thin and bitter but they don't expect their customer to be looking for chocolate, caramel, nutty or fruity notes from their coffee.
Even if you get the cheapest espresso machine you can possibly get, the grinder is still a must for good coffee. Pre ground is already stale, and most of the supermarket beans are already stale as well.
> Since I started drinking in proper third wave coffee shops,
What's with the hurry? I might have been relishing your take on it. Likewise, it might have been your neologism and a search would have proved fruitless.
anyone recommend a serviceable coffee grinder? nothing over £40 please!
or shall I just bung 'em in the food processor.
[yes, I know it's a scummy way to do it, but my coffee is an occasional pleasure, rather than a hobby] Ta!
> There's a good coffee supplier in Inverness that knows what grade grind for different machines - the presso is quite fine.
Nice!! Alessi style, i like it!
now going to scare myself seeing how much it costs :-(
Coo! not bad, £80.
if it made 4, I might just get one. Or if I had more cash. Still looks good though
> anyone recommend a serviceable coffee grinder? nothing over £40 please!
> or shall I just bung 'em in the food processor.
> [yes, I know it's a scummy way to do it, but my coffee is an occasional pleasure, rather than a hobby] Ta!
You destroy the oils and favours in any type of blade grinder. Get a burr grinder, even a hand burr grinder.
You should only grind coffee with a burr grinder, not a blade grinder. Here is a cracking hand burr grinder. To grind a measure of beans for an espresso takes less time than it does for my machine to warm up, so it's pretty convenient. You can also adjust the burr for different tyes of brew - course for a cafetiere and fine for an espreso maker. As said before, good coffee is all about the grinding.
Have you used it? does it grind to espresso, the blurb just says 'french press'. Ta!
If you want something quicker for the kitchen, that would work for french press etc. as well, then try to get a Solis 166. Starbucks used to sell them as their base grinder the "Barista" (probably the only decent purchase I've ever made in a Starbucks). From memory, they used to sell for around 40 quid when on sale. It'll work for espresso, but I certainly wouldn't recommend it.
Milesy's comments above on espresso machines and grinders is spot on. Good brewed coffee can be had easily and cheaply. Good espresso, not so much. Getting a decent grinder is key though.
Travelling: Aeropress + Porlex Mini Slim
Kitchen: Solis 166 (will get you started, if you don't intend to go the espresso route) Iberital MC2 as a minimum (if you might want to go to espresso sometime in the future, the downside of the MC2 is that it is slow and cumbersome to adjust, if switching between brew methods) + Gaggia Classic as a minimum, Rancilio Silvia as a good entry level machine. Good espresso is not cheap.
Totally off the wall, there is also the Mypressi Twist (quite a lot of hassle for an espresso), but that would still require a decent grinder. More info (probably too much) on my mate James' blog:
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