/ Human rights in China a big priority, Turkey not so.
Some recent news from Turkey that never got reported on BBC.
1. A guy who got pepper sprayed, even though he told the police that he had asthma, died. His family also got pepper sprayed by the police, because they wanted to protest their son's death.
2. The Minister of Health declared that "the state will take care of the baby of a woman who is raped", and the women do not have the right to take a decision of abortion by themselves even in these cases.
3. The Minister further declared that the new bill proposal on banning abortion will be presented to the parliament in June. The Prime Minister said that he feels personally responsible not only for abortion but also for caesarian procedure.
4. The new law banning the right to strike to airline workers just passed.
5. 300 Turkish Airlines employees were fired because they went on strike.
6. Tobacco and alcohol prices were raised by %15.
7. The police force switched to using iron batons.
8. An investigation was started regarding 103 lawyers who defended pro-Kurdish activists, politicians, journalists, academics, students in the recent "KCK" case.
9. Esra Arsan, associate professor, was fired from one of the most "liberal" universities after she was called a terrorist by an ultra-religious newspaper. So much for the tenure...
10. The Minister of Health declared that the liberty for abortion is a product of the military coup in 1980 "12 Eylül".
11. "12 people are pressed for charges for the negative comments they made on facebook about Erdogan's abortion 'discussion'"
12.The office of the chief public prosecutor has sent a report to the Ministry of Justice to remove the privilege of immunity of 8 oppositional deputy members.
There certainly are human rights violations in Turkey, especially if you are a Kurd but they are nothing compared to the likes of Syria or China.
You could argue that Turkey's human rights violations, even if they are less severe than China's, should be more relevant to the BBC's reporting since the UK government is a major supporter of Turkey joining the EU.
You could also add that Turkey is still occupying half of an EU member state - Cyprus, and also refuse to recognise the massacre of Armenians, let alone compensate them for their losses. It is illegal to say this publicly.
> You could argue that Turkey's human rights violations, even if they are less severe than China's, should be more relevant to the BBC's reporting since the UK government is a major supporter of Turkey joining the EU.
another way of looking at it is that seeing as china is likely to be a dominent global superpower both economically and militarily over the next century, then its human rights violations could be seen as more relevant than those of a moderately important regional power
not saying that is the case, just suggesting another slant on the matter
Duzinga probably has a bit more in depth knowledge - he's turkish cypriot. If you read his post I dont think he's belittling human rights violations in china, just frustrated about the lack of comparative coverage of Turkey.
I dont think for one moment that everything is rosey out there,in fact IMHO think things are changing for the worse, as the Prime minister seems determined to take the country towards an Islamic State however I just cannot see how Turkey can be compared to China
Me neither :-)
you're very smiley today Bruce...!
the sun must be shining over the other side of the channel...
The major issue with Turkey is if it manages to get into the EU, it has such a large population, that it will become quite powerful thanks to Qualified Majority Voting, all it will really need is a few smaller MS to back it and they will hold sway. At the moment, QMV means that if the UK and Germany support something we almost certainly will get our way. The prospect of Turkey becoming a major EU power broker, is something I am not confortable with.
Not really today but we're are coming over to England tomorrow, perhaps that's why... apparently the Queen has decided to have a party the same time as our visit, which is a bit cheeky.
PS. I don't think I meant the same as Steve though.
Dear oh dear, Prince Phillip would have been proud of that one.
Oops. Missed that entirely. Poor choice of idiom by me, though you seem to be the first to pick up on it.
My wife is a governemnt employee and has a very good job and we have a home in a nice area. While I absolutely stand by what I wrote earlier, I am now wondering if I am missing things simply because they are not part of our little world
I have a friend who works in Baku... his take on the country is pretty different from the one presented in Europe. He knows that there are problems but living and working there he doesn't feel it in the same way. He also sees the positive sides, which are rarely presented in the press in Europe.
Aye, you probably can't compare Turkey with China unless you're a Kurd.
China has all sorts of superficial freedoms but it's still a sleazy corrupt country with a dictatorship run by a privileged elite. Some progress here and there, but free trade and an exchangeable yuan don't make genuine social and political freedom.
Never been to Turkey and frankly I don't want to. What a difference a couple of years can make. Two or three years ago a lot of people could see Turkey as an example to the rest of the middle east. Now Turkey is on a backslide and the Tunisians, Egyptians and Libyans are showing they can do it on their own.
And don't start me on EU membership. Grrrr.
Again, I can't say that it is worse or better than China, but I'd think that the human rights issues in Turkey are as relevant to Europe than it is in China. Turkey is also not the only country in Europe with bad human rights track record. I'm sure a lot of you visited Cyprus (north or south), there are appalling things happening that do not get reported. The place does not really need to be a shit hole to have its human rights violations reported, especially if that country is in Europe.
Sorry but you're losing me here.
What would like us to do about Turkey?
Who's oppressed in Japan by the way,I've been there twice and deal with Japanese folk quite a lot and wasn't aware of anything resembling oppression.
Japan is a wonderful place to visit, and I encourage people to do so. It was a comment for trying to show how silly it is to not visit a country, just because the government does not have a track of good human rights. By the way, there IS a constant oppression of the common people within the society, a strong fear of foreigners in the government, and a bunch of racist laws. I will not list any but if interested I am sure you can find all the well documented cases easily via google.
NBC in institutional bias scandal, shock horror.....
Perhaps you should change "is" for "was"?
I know a Japanese girl who is far from xenophobic :)
Don't Turkey still have the death penalty? I think that's banned in the EU. I still don't see how they're gonna get round the Cyprus problem tbh, both sides on that are pretty intransigent.
As far as I know Turkey abandoned capital punishment since the capture of Ocalan (the PKK leader), which is early 2000?
My experience with the Japanese girls is the same. Japanese ladies are known to be much more open minded and approachable! Sadly this is a men's country.
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