In reply to Al Evans: Enjoyable programme isn't it. I always think that stuff like the Inn Pinn and Crib Goch etc are multi dimentional as they are a big deal for 'walkers and ramblers' but we are climbers and have conditioned our brains to exposure so much more so the climbs are mere scrambles for us. I have to force myself to remember that when taking noobies out too, a scrambly solo for me would be a huge undertaking and as close to the 'edge' as a noobie may ever have gone before.