In reply to Alex Ekins:
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> I apologise for being so blunt but you are talking utter bollocks.
That's not the most useful statement, but sure.
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> Of course copyright grants rights to creators, that's the point.
I'm not sure you picked up my point, copyright grants exclusive rights by depriving everyone else of a right they would otherwise have had. For example anyone can use "For He's a Jolly Good Fellow" for any purpose they feel fit - for example standing in the town square and singing aloud, they however can not use "Happy Birthday to You" as that is currently protected by copyright. Most of us chose to ignore that, however.
Presumably in your view of the world we should ask permission from the rights holder before we sing it, though? It is after all, another's creation that we are using.
> I/we/you created it and should decide how it is used. I can choose to give it away, sell it or display it on a website.
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> Why should 'everyone else' have any rights to what I produce?
I feel if I like a song, I should be able to share it with my friends without limitation. I like that freedom. I don't feel I should be restricted in the fashion copyright attempts. However, it appears to not be much of an issue, as everyone appears to ignore copyright in a great many things (particularly music.)
The notion that a creator should completely control their creation is one that is not shared by many. For example fair use exists in many countries with copyright, where one may use a work for some purposes without the permission of the rights holder
The history of copyright in the US is a curious one. They are in my opinion the largest player in the English speaking world regarding TV/movies/songs. The US constitution doesn't state copyright as a necessity, it does state that should it be granted it be for a limited period. When copyright was first introduced into the use, it required registration of your work, and only lasted 14 years. We've strayed a long, long way from that. Repeatedly the duration of copyright has been extended, sometimes due to the efforts of companies like Disney and Sony, attempting to maintain control of works.
It's rather scary to see how far it's come:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_the_United_States#History
Works staying protected for decades after the author dies is a worrying notion to me.
It's important to realise that the public domain is a valuable resource for society. If we started relaxing authors controls on their creative works, we may improve the public domain which is good for all of society. It's possibly a trade-off, some would argue creators will be less inspired to create if their monopoly on their creations were to be weakened. Perhaps that's the case, though the massive amount of effort put into software under copyleft licences is an interesting counterpoint to that.
While irrelevant to the discussion, I make my living being paid by the hour for my ideas and creative works. I think it's important to realise changes in copyright law are most often met with resistance because they require changes in business models. I do like the following saying/quote:
"It's hard to make a man understand something when his livelihood depends on him not understanding it"
(I'm not sure who created that sentence, I don't feel guilty at all for using it without permission. Perhaps that makes me a bad person, I'm not sure.)