/ BMC access survey
In case you don't know what RAD is, it's the BMC's 'one stop shop' for all crag access information and it can be found here: http://www.thebmc.co.uk/rad (If you haven't used it before, have a quick look before filling out the survey).
I'd really appreciate it if you could take 5-10 mins to fill out the survey and help us make the new version as relevant to climbers as possible: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/bmcradsurvey
My main gripe with the database is that it is missing lots of minor venues especially bouldering ones. These are by nature the places you are mostly likey to be unsure of the access regarding and hence need to check the RAD for. I already know access is ok at Froggatt, but I might not be so sure for say Stanton-in-the-Woods, which incidentally the BMC has done some fine access work on but isn't in the RAD.
I'd support Boy's point and also ask for a free text box at the end of the survey for other comments as some questions dont quite fit circumstances.
Finally a point I've made before is that I think RAD should be clickable on the main BMC home page: to me access work is the most important thing the BMC does.
I'd strongly agree with this. It's bizarre to have to hunt around for it when it's the no.1 thing I want from the BMC.
Up to date information on whether birds are actually nesting at those crags where this leads to a temporary ban, but climbing is otherwise ok, would increase the usefulness of the RAD to me by a huge amount. Especially for crags where any ban is not signed at the crag.
I second that point. I recently noticed that Wintour's is listed as having a seasonal peregrine ban, which could lead people to think that the whole crag was out of bounds for several months every year. In fact there has been no nesting (known about) this year and the nesting over the previous three yeras was right at the limits of the crag and affecting only a handful of routes each time.
I also noticed all the guidebook listings for the Wye Valley (also some other areas) are out of date. I will try to provide the correct info soon.
Diddy question here, sorry:
in qu. 2, "Have you ever visited a crag where climbing was banned?" do you mean 'ever' or only when the ban is in effect?!
Automated ranking of Q7 will give you junk data for those who are indifferent after the first two or three items.
Oops, guess what...?! (however I qualified my response in the last field.)
The answers for Q4 aren't mutually exclusive but you're only allowed to select one. So I chose Other.
2. 'Have you ever climbed at a banned crag?' Do you mean subject to an environmental restriction supported by BMC, or any exclusion imposed by a landowner, e.g. Woodcroft Quarry/Fly Wall and Huntsham Crags?
7. 'Rank' etc. I note this list does not include the relevant guidebook. Is it you intent to drop this now? If so I needn't spend hours updating the current info.
I've filled it in, but still waiting on my free cake, chips and beer to pop out of the disc drive!
2 - either (ie when a an agreed temporary restiction or a permenant ban due to landowner is in place)
7 - our current thinking is to drop the guidebook section as this is a difficult section to keep on top of with accurate info (there are many more guidebooks being released now than when RAD was first launched) and it doesn't seem to be one of the core bits of info users are looking for. Our perception is that most users just want simple, accurate specific access info presented in an easy to read way, but if anyone feels strongly one way or the other, please add a comment to the bottom text box - all opinions are useful.
> I second that point. I recently noticed that Wintour's is listed as having a seasonal peregrine ban, which could lead people to think that the whole crag was out of bounds for several months every year. In fact there has been no nesting (known about) this year and the nesting over the previous three yeras was right at the limits of the crag and affecting only a handful of routes each time.
Do you know where they did nest? I saw 4 of them playing about at the weekend, so i presume those included a pair and 2 offspring.
Sorry to take things off topic!
In that case please disregard my answer.
Re Peregrines at Wintour's:
Yes they have been in full cry the last three weeks, but we have had no reports of any nesting. Some years ago they used to nest in the wooded area between North Wall and the ruined Chapel. Anyway, it's good to know they have been successful and that climbers have not troubled them, especially after the sad failure of the Chepstow pair this year.
Do you have a mobile enabled site?
I know in advance that some/many users don't/won't use their mobile to check access restrictions, but there is a sizeable (and growing) younger generation of climbers who use them a lot.
An example of where it would be useful: Rained off mid morning - trying to find a new venue to climb within 30 mins drive. Check RAD db for access restrictions on the move.
This sort of technology brings a tool like this forward from being a 'good' resource to a essential climbing 'must have'.
I might be wrong though . . .
> Do you have a mobile enabled site?
> I know in advance that some/many users don't/won't use their mobile to check access restrictions, but there is a sizeable (and growing) younger generation of climbers who use them a lot.
> An example of where it would be useful: Rained off mid morning - trying to find a new venue to climb within 30 mins drive. Check RAD db for access restrictions on the move.
> This sort of technology brings a tool like this forward from being a 'good' resource to a essential climbing 'must have'.
> I might be wrong though . . .
I agree. Another scenario would be when you are away for a trip, perhaps camping, with no computer to hand and no set plans. Most people these days will have a smartphone among a group, so the RAD should definitely have that in mind.
Paul tells me that it's working on live data now so should be displaying accutate and up to date info, so if anyone wants to try it, you can find it here: http://t.co/5tzs4t1b
You have to enable 'unknown sources' before it'll install and if you tried the previous beta version you'll have to uninstall that as it won't upgrade.
We're hoping to produce apps for the new version of RAD too once it's made, with versions for whichever type of phone most people vote for on the survey.
Comes up with a "Parse Error" when trying to install on HTC Desire, Android version 2.2.2
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