In reply to parkovski:
> Your thread title and opening sentence, “Track cycling bikes at the Olympics, Should all be the same” was most parsimoniously interpreted as meaning identical bikes. But then you clarified that your rules would, “allow for custom frames to accommodate individual riders specific body shapes.” Maybe just a lack of clarity on your part – but to many this will appear contradictory.
Granted, perhaps not the best worded opening line. However I would like to think throughout the course of the thread so far I've clarified the miscommunication I made in said first sentence.
> You said “advantages gained through engineering shouldn't be available to anyone. It should be about who's the best cyclist”, but then you said you are not, “against the technological advances just the aerodynamical ones.” This seems contradictory. One minute you’re only against aerodynamic advantages of the bike – the next you’ve broadened it to mechanical advantages as well. Which is it?! Combine this with the fact that you’re allowing for body position to be changed for aerodynamic advantage, and really your point seems wishy washy, riddled with inconsistency and, to be honest, just a little stupid and ignorant.
No, not at all. Take 1 rider lets say Chris Hoy for arguments sake give him 2 bikes of identical geometry and dimensions. That are ergonomically optimised for his body shape. One has simple style of construction, round tubes, etc. the other has tube shapes and profiles that have been optimised aerodynamically. Both bikes are in a sense optimised to maximise his latent potential though he'll go faster on the second bike as it has been aerodynamically optimised as well. I would propose to remove the second advantage.
Aerodynamical v mechanical advantage is admittedly a wording inconsistency on my part. In which I mean technological advantage in the construction and design of the bicycle beyond it's ergonomics.
Re: the technology thing it's not realistically feasible to regulate for anything in competitions beyond the equipment the cyclists use and banning drug use which may assist their performance. So if someone develops a new training technique that makes them fitter or faster than their nearest rival then you can't and shouldn't regulate against it. However it is possible to design a faster bicycle/cycle clothing/helmet. That would be what I would propose to regulate for. After all they've all ready done it in swimming.
I think this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keirin#Equipment might possibly explain my basic thesis in a clearer fashion.
> You got nicely sidetracked by the debate as to whether track cyclists were ‘pros’ or not – but you then stated that “...most Olympic cycling track athletes, at least in the leading countries, track cycling is their job.” So they’re not professional, but cycling is their job?! Or was your point about whether they ride on the road too? If so WTF has that got to do with anything. Don’t accuse people of pedantry when they’re simply trying to clarify some meaning out of your unintelligible jibber jabber.
The Pro rider thing was in response to something someone else said about most track cyclists being pro peleton/road cyclists so as such having access to all of the high end tech that brings. I don't agree/believe that statement (for the majority of Olympic track cyclists, though there are exceptions) and agree with you that it has brought the thread on something of a side track which doesn't really have anything to do with my original point.
> If you can’t see the contradiction in real terms in this statement, “I've nothing against riders have bikes sized precisely to themselves to maximise their efficiency. I'm just against the bikes themselves giving them advantage.”... then we are all giving up. You’re against bikes bestowing an advantage, but you don’t mind the bike being designed to maximise the efficiency of the rider, but that means the bike ‘itself’ is giving an advantage by virtue of the riding position.... Can you see our problem?
See my earlier point about aerodynamic optimisation v ergonomic optimisation. It may be possible to have later which assists the cyclist (and could ultimately be built in a shed by an obree type) whilst to get the former would require access to lots of high technology, state of the art engineering and have vast costs.
> Now I'm kind of looking forward to seeing your reply, not because I'll learn anything, but because it's starting to get quite amusing. I guess you didn't start this thread to become a tawdry side show in a circus of malcontent though, so perhaps it's time to quit.
<Round of applause> No but then again I did say earlier up it's probably akin to getting turkeys to vote for christmas. Trying to get agreement on a British forum to further regulate a sport such that it takes advantage away from Britain's probable, currently, most successful sport is unlikely.