In reply to Si dH:
> (In reply to d80f0u)
> Been using phantoms full time on trad for 3 years now. Normal hand size, not seen any durabikity issues (altho I avoid using them on bolts); wouodnt consider using anything else now. Si
As I'm bored and have re-read the same thread, in light of others posts I'm going to clarify this. This is on trad routes where weight
on route is key, ie, might make a significant difference to whether I fall off or not, and when the number of draws I climb with is limited by weight considerations. ie, routes that are sustained, vertical-ish (or more) and of reasonable length. On these routes, phantoms are invaluable. However for the sort of thigns yo uare talking abotu doing, and from your profile, a lightweight rucksack (if you climb with it) and helmet would make much more difference (unless you still climb with really old solid-metal-everything gear as I see some people doing - get rid of it!)