/ Cassin route Paz Badile
Maybe you were just going well? Are there routes at alpine 'D' you felt were more difficult?
Maybe email the Alpine club and the Swiss alpine club to suggest the grade change for future guidebooks.
It could have 2 grades TD when there is a sizable snow patch on the initial traverse and D for a couple of days in a dry year.
im the guy who went off route (whoops) at the start and you guys may have climbed through us at the start (you did the easy start, if you are the person im thinking of) by the way, the rubuffet corner start although harder is worth doing.
as i said, i truly apologise if you werent the party im thinking of (your partner had spent the season in chamonix i seem to recall) but perhaps not following tick marks could make things harder
It's not the point. Mind you, if Divine Providence was at Tremadog, I doubt whether it would get more than E5.
Particularly because anybody starting twice the same thread about the same mountain and twice mispelling its name (it's PIZ Badile) it's either dense or is the dullest troll ever.
> It's not the point. Mind you, if Divine Providence was at Tremadog, I doubt whether it would get more than E5.
If DP was in Tremadog, the descent options would be interesting to contemplate! ;)
I was the the person that was 'guided' up the Cassin by my mate who is a mountain Guide. I've climbed E5/E6 in my day but I've got a family now and I like to climb with speed and safety on my side. That's the way I prefer it these days on big routes like this. That's my choice and not for you to question this.
We did overtake you - on the harder (and original) start which is 5c (English 5a) with a fierce pull up a steep wall. You did ask us if we were going to be quick - we said yes - but you were ready to go and jumped on the easier start anyway.
I do remember a commotion behind me (its really wet / watch me / and you almost fell off). I know this because it was in my interest that you did not need rescuing otherwise my guide would be obliged to help you out).
Interestingly there were 3 guided parties on the route - we were the third. All three topped out in 5-7 hours yet when I looked down I could see almost half of the route and you were not behind us so I assumed you had backed off.
I had the luxury of seconding the route and I felt it was good HVS territory (especially with a rucksack on). NO way could or should a budding VS leader get on it. The crux corner was/is english 5a in my opinion and slightly wet which added to the difficulties. I remember congratulating my mate on a good lead as it was a full 50m and pretty steep with some large loose flakes thrown in.
Anyway - following our descent we were concerned for your whereabouts and on meeting your mate back at the car the next day - helped him out with a lift and a mobile phone to make a few calls. I'm glad to hear you made it back safely.
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