/ Rucksack for load carrying training
I've found a canvas army surplus type thing for cheap but it doesn't appear to have any frame for back support and I'm concerned that the lack of said frame will make for an, unnecessarily, difficult to carry limp pack.
See here: http://www.focalprice.com/HL0520B/3655L_Large_Canvas_Army_Outdoor_Duffel_Bag_Black.html?Currency=GBP
Does anyone have any experience with this type of pack? Or alternate suggestions/recommendations for the prescribed use?
I've done loaded runs at about 30kg dead weight in my Berghaus arete 45l bag, but that doesn't have any real back support(by which I mean, metal structural supports), and the bottom is a little flimsy, so I probably wouldn't trust putting much more kit in it, they do however, make similar style bags in slightly hardier materials that might suit your purpose. Might I enquire why you're aiming to carry 40l of water rather than 40kg of free weights, which would allow you to pad out the bag slightly, increasing comfort.
I can get 20L army surplus water transport bags which will stow flat and will allow me to easily adjust the weight at a low cost.
I thought about using the bags for farmers walks but the handles on them are quite thin and won't allow me to travel far. Couple this with the inevitable strange looks I'd get and I figured I'd chuck them in a pack.
I thought the load might destroy my Blue Ice 45 which I'd like to preserve for actual climbing expeditions.
Ideally I'd acquire a canvas duffle similar to the one in the link but with some support frame.
Try sand or similar, wrapped up in a plastic bag and then encased in black nasty tape or similar to ensure that they're robust enough.
Trial the best sizes for your level of comfort - ideally with an even number of packages (but this isn't absolute), then spread them between layers of padding that themselves sit on other padded layers so that the actual weight sits higher up in your pack.
It seems like a faff but it makes a huge difference over a distance, which I found out when going from this preferred method to using water as a last minute replacement for weight on one long (and painful) loaded march and run.
Why are you doing that? And that duffel will be next to useless. You might want a military bergen, but don't use water, use sand and padding.
The two bag's I've purchased can be filled to capacity meaning there is almost no weight shift. I basically just need a frame of sorts to strap them to.
Failing that, I'll be doing farmers walks with 20kilo's in each hand.
> Why are you doing that?
I need to condition my lower body.
why do you want to condition to carry such a heavy load, what is your objective?
The advantage of carrying a heavy load of water for training is that it can be emptied out at the top of the mountain, saving knees on the descent.
I'm with Stonemaster, high risk of injury, knacker yourself for very little return - why not climb, swim, run, cycle, low weights as often and as much as possible then, when you have to heave 40kg up a hill, it should be a doddle
> I'm with Stonemaster, high risk of injury, knacker yourself for very little return - why not climb, swim, run, cycle, low weights as often and as much as possible then, when you have to heave 40kg up a hill, it should be a doddle.
I disagree. I like thgis sort of training. Why should this form of non-percussive training (as long as the sack is a suitable one) be dangerous if the weight is steadily increased. All that other stuff will do little good when you have the shock of actually needing the leg strength to carry a heavy sack.
A. If one follows recommendations all their life, what does that make them?
B. I'm a little guy, at 60kg, and am confident I can do a 4km walk with 40kg load. As per my original post - I am looking for a mode to carry said weight without having to farmers walk the entire distance.
C. If I restrict my training in liue of my bodyweight, how do I get stronger?
D. I'm looking to condition my lower body and burn some stored energy.
E. In terms of strength training, 40kg would not be considered a heavy load.
F. Considering the 40kg load, I would prefer go for a loaded walk than do endless medium weight squats in a gym.
G. The water carrying bags are convenient for me as the weight can easily be adjusted and the bags stowed flat.
H. Anything done incorectly is likely to 'knacker' oneself.
I. If one believes there is merit in what Andy Kirckpatrick writes, 40kg weight for distance is legit.
J. I enjoy this type of 'old school' strength training.
From all your comments, it looks as though carrying this laod on my back is not going to be realistic. I appreciate the various voices of concern about my intentions and I will settle at doing farmers walks.
Fair play. But it's rubbish training.
I've carried getting on for that weight 64km round the Brecon Beacons. And much more weight than 40kg for shorter distances. But for training it's rubbish as it just smashes you to bits.
Since that is not actually a reason for it to be dangerous, I'm tempted not to reply. Think about it.
Personally, I find that carrying heavy ruksacks uphill is far more effective training for mountaineering than hill running and leaves my body less trashed. I generally just do it on ascents (anything up to Munro height) and on a longer day out might stick a few rocks in the sack on each col and then dump them on the next summit. It is, of course, very hard work and I have to be pretty motivated to get fit to do it! I'm not sure what weight I've used (I've never measured), but certainly much heavier than 25kg.
so you don't walk downhill with 40kg on your back and i suspect you would have more sense than to do that without some overriding reason
I think if i had read your description of a Munro with a heavy rucksack and some additional weight for part of the trip (as training for a specific mountaineering goal possibly?) i would have thought good effort, entirely reasonable however if someone asks 'is carrying 40kg for some distance sensible' it's surely got to be a no that's not a good idea - pass the ibuprofen
Nice little aArmy test for you:
Day 1: 12 miles: 3 Hours: 25 Kg
Day 2: 12 miles: 3.5 Hours: 30 kg
It was rats. My feet hated me. :D
Whether you decide to carry sand or water, and whatever weight you finally decide on, I would definitely get a rucksack with a weight belt. I tried humping 25kg of free weights up and down my stairs with an old canvas bag with steel frame so that the total weight was on my shoulders. It hurt big style. My lower back is not the strongest, and I definitely won't be doing that again.
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