In reply to cameros:
> (In reply to Gilles)So getting back to my point .....what do you actually do with youre degree ?.
Teach
> No disrespect but if English /History are an interest for you why not study those subjects because of that interest and not just so you can have a degree in them .
Why would this be mutually exclusive?
Strikes me that if you have a real interest in such subject matter then you would do it for the love of it not just because you recieve a pretty useless piece of paper at the end of it .
Hmm, who said that was my motivation? Oh, that would be you.
> The point I was making to Elliot was that if he wanted to have loads of time off and money to fund a climbing lifestyle in the future then he could do worse than serve an apprenticeship.
No argument from me there.
> I am guessing youre English degree
If you'd read my post a bit more carefully you'd see it was history...
taught you that well used saying "someone who knows the price of everything but not necessarily its value " or was that an astute piece of critical thinking .Critical thinking and doing a degree.....now theres irony if ever I came across it.
You really do have to explain that I'm afraid, unless I'm missing a glaring piece of sarcasm of course.
> I should also point out that there is such a thing as "work fit" ie if you sit on youre ass all day doing something at a desk you will notice that by the time you are 40, or sooner in many cases ,you will feel very unfit .
Does this count as patronising?
That is unless you take time at weekends or evenings to look after yourself .ie get some exercise
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.The thing about manual labour is that it gives you so much more that just leisure tokens .It keeps your body operating as it was designed to.Sure working like a dog all day every day will send you to an early grave but in essence manual labour is good for the body and soul.
So clearly no one who as done a degree could do/have done manual labour?
It's also a very tangible thing .ie you see the results of your labour.You dont need some intangible feedback from someone to let you know youre worth .
I totally get this, building a house with my cousin in california was one of the most satisfying experiences I've ever had.
> You see gilles the "value" of manual labour is about so much more than leisure tokens.
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You know, "Fruits of your labour" and all that "an honest days pay for an honest days graft"
> I would have thought that to an educated person like yourself that would be self evident.
And the only form of 'honest' labour is what you do with your hands? Genius.
My point was not that the op should do an arts degree, just that they're not a waste of time. Each to each. I like sport climbing more than trad. That doesn't make me wrong, anymore than my preference for loud rock music over classical. I recognise the value in these things even if I don't choose to follow them myself, and I wouldn't dismiss something just because it isn't for me.